Does the 4% Rule for Retirement Income Still Work?

In this video, Stan The Annuity Man revisits the 4% rule for retirement income to determine if it’s still a viable strategy. Learn about the changes in the market and other factors that may impact the success of the 4% rule for your retirement plan.
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Hi there, Stan the Annuity Man,
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America's annuity agent, licensed in all
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50 states. Glad you joined me today for
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a topic that is needed to be addressed.
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Is does the 4% rule still work for
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retirement income planning? We're going
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to talk about the 4% rule. We're going
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to talk about very very smart people
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that has factually and academically is
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that academically destroyed it. And I
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can do that because I used to be on that
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side of the table. I know you're saying,
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"Stan, what are you talking about? You
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you wear the the Stan the Annuity Man
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logos, the hats, the whole thing. I used
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to work I started with Dean Witter. Then
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I went to pay then it turned into Morgan
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Stanley. Then I went to Payne Weber and
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that turned into Union Bank of
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Switzerland known as UBS. Love all those
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firms. But I'm now in the contractually
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guaranteed only space. Will do not might
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do. But I was in the world of the 4%
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rule. I understood it. I was taught it.
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Um, I talked about it, but at the end of
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the day, I've got a different opinion
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from when I worked for those ivory tower
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firms all over this country, New York
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City and all over um, in my previous
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life before I became the mythical figure
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of Stan. Not mythical, it's actually
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real. Stan the annuity man. So, we're
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going to get into that 4% rule because
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you need to hear what I'm getting ready
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to say after this.
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Okay, so let's talk about what is the 4%
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rule. Stan, sounds good. Sounds
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interesting. Tell me more. Tell me more.
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As I said, was that Greece? Tell me
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more. Tell me more. Okay, let's talk
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about the 4% rule. In the world of
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stocks and ETFs and bonds and markets
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and all that stuff, what advisors are
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taught is don't buy an annuity. Don't
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buy a contractual guarantee. Don't buy
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something like that. Let me the advisor
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manage it. Let me manage it because I'm
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master of the universe. And we'll just
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peel off 4% of the gains for the income
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that you need, sir. And that, you know,
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they'll run Monte Carlos simulations.
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No, that's not the race car. That's
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showing you, well, you know, we ran a
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thousand Monte Carlo simulations showing
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markets and blah blah blah, and this is
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how it's going to work. Life doesn't
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work that way. I mean that's like
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showing me a exercise plan. I got to
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implement the exercise plan. That's not
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going to happen either. The point is
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when you're coming toward retirement
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chapter two, you're, you know, three
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laps out of four, four being retirement,
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you're at three and a half. You're
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rounding the corner. You can see the
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finish line. The 4% rule works in a like
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a charm in a bull market. But when it
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doesn't work in is when it's choppy and
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there's things happening in the world
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that can make markets go up and down and
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you don't have time getting toward
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retirement in chapter two of your life
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to recover from a market loss. Period.
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Okay. Had a conversation today before
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the filming with a a person. He was
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talking about annuities. He said,
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"Should I own an annuity?" I said, "How
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old are you?" And he said, "He's in his
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40s." No, you shouldn't. You should you
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should own stocks and all those things
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and all the growth things because you
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have time for it to recover. The 4% rule
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in my opinion and I'm getting ready to
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tell you who else's opinion which
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matters is dead because of the
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volatility of the markets. If you have
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one or two years where you've lost a lot
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of money in the markets, the 4% rule is
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killing you because you got to take
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money out as you're losing
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money. Don't trust me on this. the smart
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people in the room with the ascots and
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and the got the jackets with the elbow
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protectors and they're in the ivory
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tower and really nice offices with the
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with a receptionist that brings them
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coffee every morning. Those people like
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Wade Fowl, okay, who's been on my Fun
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with Annuities podcast, PF AU, if you
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want to pull it up, he has factually
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destroyed the
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4% sales pitch, the 4% rule. He's like,
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does work. If you want to deep dive into
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and listen to the podcast and how he
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explains it, I would tell you to do that
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or buy his books. Wade Foul, go to
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Amazon, buy his books. The 4% rule is
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dead in my opinion and WDE's opinion and
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others
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opinion. You say, "But wait, but why why
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are why am I still hearing this? Why am
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I still hearing yes, the 4% rule works?"
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Still stick with the 4% rule. Think
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logically. the person managing your
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money is making a fee for managing the
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money, right? Makes sense. Nothing wrong
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with that if if it's up disclosed, etc.
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When annuities for lifetime income are
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put in place that replace the 4% rule,
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you cannot charge a fee on immediate
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annuity. You cannot charge a fee on a
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deferred income annuity, you cannot
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charge a fee on a qualified longevity
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annuity contract, you should never
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charge a fee on an income writer, and
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some people do. for lifetime income.
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Those are contractual guaranteed
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transfer of risk for as long as you are
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breathing. You do not charge fees on
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that. That's the reason that's not being
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recommended because those assets then
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are taken out of what they're charging a
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fee on. The other thing, and this
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nothing against, you know, the masters
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of the universe that are managing money.
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When you're in that world, you you
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believe that you know, you believe that
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you can do it. You believe that you are
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the man. You believe that you are the
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master of the universe. You have to
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believe it to go into it and to do it.
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And historically, there's arguments for
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it. There's aristo historically great
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returns in the stock market. Great
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returns. I have nothing against that.
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And you should keep some of the markets
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if that's what you want to do. But when
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you get to close to chapter two and
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retirement and go and and pivoting and
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going and doing your thing and taking
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care of yourself and taking risk off the
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table, to me, that's when you need to
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pivot away, fork in the road moment from
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the 4% rule and put that lifetime income
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guaranteed floor, that income floor in
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place to combine with the income you're
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getting from the other annuity that you
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own, which is social security, which is
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the best inflation annuity on the
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planet. And if your employer has
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provided you a pension, that's the
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second annuity that you have for
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lifetime income. Do not depend on the 4%
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rule. Here's another reason why. If you
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have the income floor in place
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contractually with lifetime income
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annuities, there's four different types.
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Immediate annuities, deferred income
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annuities, qualified longevity annuity
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contracts, income writers, and not just
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one annuity. I hate all annuities. And
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we can set it up so that 100% of any
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unused money goes to your beneficiaries,
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not the annuity company. So the annuity
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company not going to keep the money. I I
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hate it when people say that. When
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people say, "Well, I'd never buy a
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nudity because annuity company keeps the
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money." It's one of 40 ways to structure
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it, Chester. Okay? We're going to
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structure it so that that money that you
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worked hard for is not going to go poof.
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Okay? It's going to go to your
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beneficiaries. But what I was going to
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say, and this is very important, if you
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put that income floor in place
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contractually that you know is going to
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be there, you know it's going to happen,
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it has nothing to do with the markets,
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guess what? you will be a better
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investor because you don't have to
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disrupt the investments to take the 4%
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out in a down
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year. Makes
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sense. It should make sense because it
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does make sense. Period. So, put the
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contractual guaranteed floor in place
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and then go invest the money. You'll be
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a better investor. Trust me. Trust me on
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that. Think about it. And when you need
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the income floor, look at what you need
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and do you can do a reverse engineer
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quote on my site at theanuityman.com
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using our calculators to use as little
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amount of money as possible
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contractually to solve for that goal.
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And if you need if there's inflation in
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the future, you need to fill in another
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gap, you go in and do it again. You do a
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reverse engineer quote to solve for that
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specific dollar amount.
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So, let me declare right now as Stan the
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Annuity Man, America's annuity agent,
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licensed in all 50
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states with the backing of Wade Fowl,
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smart guy in the room, the 4% rule is
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officially dead. The 4% rule is done.
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The 4% rule needs to be buried. The 4%
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rule needs to be replaced by contractual
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guaranteed lifetime income using annuity
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transfer risk strategies with A+ rated
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carriers or better for lifetime income.
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And if that happens, and it will happen
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because I'm going pound the table out
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here to make sure it happens, you'll be
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a better
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investor. All right. Boy, I got going,
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didn't I? Yeah. And the caffeine's
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wearing off. So, I mean, think about if
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I was really rolling on caffeine. It was
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like
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It's all good. My name is Stan the
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Annuity Man. This is the Stan the
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Annuity Man YouTube channel. Thank you
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so much for joining me. Hit the
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subscribe button and I'll see you next
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time.
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