Marcia Mantell: Lasagna Style Income Planning

IN THIS EPISODE, THE ANNUITY MAN AND MARCIA MANTELL DISCUSS:
- Retirement planning is personal
- The uncomfortable “unexpected.”
- Who are the best financial advisors?
- Lasagna style income planning
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
- Friends and neighbors are not your friends when it comes to retirement decision-making. It’s all completely personal.
- If there’s anything that’s not unexpected, it’s that we know we are one day going to die. We just don’t like to talk about it; we don’t like to think about it.
- The best financial advisors are those that aren’t born from money. They understand what it’s like to come from a family that doesn’t have much, so they’ve been repeatedly taught in their youth to respect and value money.
- If you can make lasagna, you can also make a retirement plan. Retirement planning is a layered process; there has to be a plan in place, you can’t randomly do it, and there’s a myriad of ingredients.
"Starting early is the key. If you miss 50, start wherever you are today. This is not a weekend project - it’s too hard and complicated. The best thing we can all do is take ownership, we have to understand social security to make good decisions, and we have to understand medicare." — Marcia Mantell.
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welcome to fun with annuities i'm your
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host stan the annuity man america's
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annuity agent licensed in all
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50 states
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got a great guest today her name is
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marsha mantell she typically works with
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advisors to make them smarter which is
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like
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showing paintings to blind people
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sometimes i would think she would agree
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with that
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but i want to um i want to welcome every
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single person out there listening to us
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on all major podcast platforms and the
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um aggressive people out there that are
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watching us on the fun with annuities
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youtube channel where you can see marcia
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and i interacting laughing and making
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fun of each other with with our facial
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expressions as we speak so
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without further ado marcia welcome to
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fun with
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annuities stan i am so happy to be here
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thank you for inviting me on and yes we
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will have fun
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absolutely
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when we're talking about retirement and
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social security and medicare and
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annuities and all that stuff yeah um i
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typically go through the bio and read
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read read and uh i'm not going to do
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that this time i'm going to let you tell
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people your elevator speech
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from 30 000 feet and then we're going to
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take the plane down from there so tell
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the people who you are why you're here
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what motivates you to do what you do and
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wake up every morning with a passion to
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educate
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go marcia i would be happy to well hello
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everyone
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i am
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if i had to sum it up in just a couple
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of words i would say i am a translator
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of the retirement laws
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and if you're thinking what the heck is
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she talking about i will tell you that
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everything we're doing for retirement is
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based in and written in the law and it's
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nothing but complicated
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so i spend lots of time reading i don't
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know if you can see them back here my
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medicare
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law books i have my social security law
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books over on this other bookshelf
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and it's crazy so
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i spend the time doing that so you don't
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have to thank you for that thank you
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great fun 30 years 30 years doing this
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stand
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so no one wakes up in the morning marcia
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and says you know what
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i'm going to read all kinds of legal
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stuff and and follow medicare and like
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what brought you to the fork in the road
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and why did you pick it up
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that is such a fun question it turns out
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yeah i did not grow up i was not an
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eight-year-old you know pirouetting
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around the neighborhood thinking oh i'm
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going to be a social security guru
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that doesn't happen but what did happen
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was i worked at fidelity investments for
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13 years
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all in the retirement space which was
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wonderful but then i went off on my own
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to figure out what i was going to do for
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retirement consulting
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and a colleague of mine called one day
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and asked what turned out to be the key
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question for my business and her
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question was
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marcia i'm turning 62 next year but i'm
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going to keep working
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so
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i know social security's open to me how
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about if i just take social security i'm
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not going to spend it i'm going to
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invest it but i'll just keep working and
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i'm going to collect social security
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because i can
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do you think that's a good idea
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well i didn't know
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and at this time now this is 2005. so
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yeah there's some stuff on the internet
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about social security but not that much
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you really have to dig back then yeah
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and it turns out no one could answer
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that question
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and that led me
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but either fortunately or unfortunately
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into the law itself
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and if you want the quick answer the
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answer is no you while you can collect
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and work you can only make a little bit
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of money
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and in her case she was going to make
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way over the limit the earnings limit
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test
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and so sure she could collect but she
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just wouldn't get anything
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not really what she was hoping for so
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that's how i got started in this that
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there was no one out there who could
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answer these questions and then from
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social security it went to medicare
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ms marsha you know people are 10 000
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baby boomers hitting age 65 every single
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day actually it's more than that but i
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just rounded
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down um
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and a lot of these people are making
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that transition to retirement that's
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that's kind of a
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if i had to pick a category that that
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broad base that you specialize in it's
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that
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what are some of the um
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pitfalls or things people need to be
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aware of as they are making that
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transition to retirement or if they've
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already made it
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what are those check boxes they need to
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continually look at
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stan there are so
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many
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trip wires that we get into i'm a boomer
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myself i'll be 61 in july so this is not
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only something i do every day but i
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think about it personally every day
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and what i what i'm finding is happening
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for the poor boomers who either have
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already retired they've made their
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decisions and generally they're
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irrevocable so you know let's say once
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you're in the pool
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you're swimming
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um
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we get tripped up at the interconnection
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of everything and i it was funny i
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talked to a couple last night we did a
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zoom
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and they just had a bunch of questions
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about medicare and halfway through
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the the wife said to me but marsha why
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i'm so confused is
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all of our friends and neighbors have
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told us we really need to do part a
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medicare part a but you're telling us we
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shouldn't
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how can it be so different
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and you know friends and neighbors
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they're not your friends when it comes
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to retirement decision making exactly
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all completely personal so now is it
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based in the law but then it depends on
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everything for an individual or a couple
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who are they working for how big is the
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employer what options do they have when
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do they want to retire
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and they have no idea that there's such
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a
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closely knitted
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relationship amongst in between all
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these laws
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and then they make decisions and they
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get themselves into tax trouble
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and that's always you know just a real
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downer when you're trying to have fun in
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retirement
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medicare and social security are these
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big
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hurdles that seem you know they just
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seem
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so complicated a lot of times
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how do people simplify those those two
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monsters and make good choices what
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would you tell people
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how to approach that
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the best thing you can do for yourself
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is start really early
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i like to do two things stand when i can
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you know it doesn't always work out this
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way with real people you know we're busy
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we're doing other stuff but i like to
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anchor
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clients and
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regular people who will become retirees
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at age 50.
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50 is a really big birthday and at that
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point i think it's critical that
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everyone lay out what i call your
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baseline retirement income plan like
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where's the money going to come from
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whenever you retire and whenever you
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retire isn't really always in your
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control so you know this your ideal case
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when you decide there's the case where
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your employer shows you the door and
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then there's the worst case which is you
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get sick
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so
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it's all coming at us really fast so
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starting early is the key if you missed
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50 don't worry about it start with
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wherever you're at today but get that
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baseline plan
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and then i
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like to do checklists i'm a big list
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maker i have every color of post-it note
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sitting on my desk
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color-coded calendars you know the whole
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nine yards
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because this is not a weekend
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project you know you don't go to home
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depot and get your gazebo whip it up in
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the weekend and then you're ready to
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retire the stuff is too hard it's too
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complicated so i think the best thing we
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can all do
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is take ownership we have to understand
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social security to make good decisions
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and we have to understand medicare
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and
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it will take a while so get a book
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you know you can go to the websites
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they're they're they're actually
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excellent both ssa.gov and medicare.gov
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but they are somewhat daunting if this
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is your first trip to taking a look at
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these two
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um
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you know baseline pieces of your
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foundation
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so you know get the dummies books or
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aarp
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and just start somewhere
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then of course it's find a really good
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advisor a financial advisor who is an
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expert in retirement income you know
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this is not like
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should you invest in your 401k
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contribute to your 401k of course and
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then let's invest it a certain way or
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hear your iras let's invest them a
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certain way
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this is at some point you get to the top
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of the cliff
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and you're looking down into that water
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and you're gonna jump
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you know and it might take seven seconds
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to hit that very beautiful blue water
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down there and all those seven seconds
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seem like seven years you're going what
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have i done
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right but at the top of the cliff you
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have what you have so
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it's different on the way down
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and it's important
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to come up with something either you
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know
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i do things i call it i have a cooking
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up your retirement plan
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um
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discussion guide and workbook
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they're just there's a logic to this
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if you will take the time
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to go through it but sadly what i often
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run into is people who lose their jobs
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unexpectedly
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you know 58 62 you know they weren't
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ready because you know they didn't have
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that baseline plan or it's
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people who just decide they've had
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enough
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and so they'll call me today and they're
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retiring at the end of july
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you know that's that's not enough for
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this 30-year window called retirement
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we are speaking with marsha mantell and
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she is the
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owner and founder of mentel retirement
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consulting we'll have all those links on
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my site
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she's kind enough to join us because
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this is a consumer podcast but she gets
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paid the big bucks by the industry to
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train and properly educate financial
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advisors and and fee planners and people
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like that
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on how to speak with people about
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medicare and social security and
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retirement income planning and those
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type of things
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one of the things i i found interesting
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on your site marcia was that
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you have a book called um what's the
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deal with re
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with retirement planning for women it's
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it's a as you put it short snappy
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engaging book i would agree with that
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now as my wife says all the time man the
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male species is flawed and i'm assuming
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that's the reason you wrote it for women
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am i right about that
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i'm gonna go with
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i really like your wife
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and i'm not a guy
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so i have a hard time
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with men telling me what to do because
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they so fundamentally understand me yes
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and i have a hard time telling my
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wonderful husband of 39 years well i
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have not a hard time telling him what to
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do but he certainly doesn't listen
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um so i i greatly buy into and
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appreciate the gender differences
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and
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women
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are are just different we relate to
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things differently stop right there you
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gotta stop i'm gonna have to agree with
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you wholeheartedly on that statement
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women are different women are different
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yes indeed you know definitely and our
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industry doesn't
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sort of embrace that
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which i totally agree with you 100
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percent
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and it was interesting i talked to a
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woman advisor the other day
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and she was saying but marcia aren't the
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questions the same
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you know should i have x fund or x
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product and
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i mean technically yes you know isn't
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social security the same for everyone
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it's gender agnostic you just need your
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social security number
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yeah the questions technically are the
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same right
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but the vantage point from which each of
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us starts
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is so dramatically different
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so i wrote this book
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and it's funny you mentioned that book i
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just on friday just in two days i'm
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submitting the revised version to my
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publisher so um i've got three new
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chapters still short and snappy but
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three more chapters coming in
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and some updates to the book
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um and it and it is for women in our
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language it is the way we talk about
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things you know opening the wall street
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journal is not our favorite thing to do
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for most women but boy give me a people
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magazine and a candy bar and i'm set for
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the day
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you know well and we're going to have
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this link um on our site you know all of
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our celebrity guest
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hosts have a permanent page on the
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annuityman.com where we have links to
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their site and links to buy their book
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and things like that but i like what
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mary beth franklin said about the book
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it's the rosetta stone for
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advisors to connect with women i would i
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would agree with that i do think there's
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an evil plot in the world
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marcia that women outlive men and we can
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we can go down that rabbit hole if you
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want to but it is true and the men out
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there are nodding their heads aren't you
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men
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and the ladies are smirking and smiling
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but i think that this book addresses
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that reality
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and i think it's i think i think women
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need to
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need to read that book because like like
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you said it is in a language that is
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this isn't condescending it is just
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factual that they need to think about
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what happens when he's not here right
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absolutely
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sometimes that's a really fun
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conversation by the way you know i
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i very often have to kill dan in my
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examples now i'm having fun with it dan
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not so much
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but we do we we have to start to be more
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upfront about the realities of what life
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is all about
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and it only goes in one direction for
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all of us
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you know we talk about things in our
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industry stan as you know very well the
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unexpected
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you know you need an estate plan because
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of the unexpected right it is not
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unexpected that we're all going to die
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i mean if there's anything that's
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definitely not unexpected
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it's we know we have an end to this
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merry-go-round
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we just don't like to talk about it we
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don't like to think about it it's
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uncomfortable it's certainly
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uncomfortable for a lot of advisors you
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know hey dan and marcia great to meet
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you that's right when do you think dan's
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going to die
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you know
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i always laugh because i got a good
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friend that is uh the life insurance
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expert that we send people to when
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people need life insurance and he's he's
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very deadpan and very very smart and he
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always says the following motivational
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comment
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uh stan one of one of us is going to die
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i'm like thanks a lot tony robbins
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you're you're helping us out a lot
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but you are correct one of the things i
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like about your site and i want people
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to go there we'll have that link is you
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do have a
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you know boomer retirement briefs blog
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which kind of gives some stories and
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it's kind of like you sitting around the
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kitchen telling the stories
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about
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some of the things that you run across
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with your interactions with advisors in
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the pro and the uh in the
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retirement profession what are some
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unique stories that's happened recently
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that you'd like to share with the
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listeners and viewers
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well one of my favorites
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so i have this phrase there are things
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that set my hair on fire
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and every march is women's history month
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and
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this year my hair was on fire over the
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401ks
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and and the the imbalance the power
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imbalance
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that happens
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um
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between married couples between the
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people in a marriage
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that what ends up happening a very often
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and especially for boomers
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one of you typically the husband was the
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big bread winner
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and he has the big 401k and then you
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know she might have worked and done
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things on and off and i caught the
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popcorn career um you know you're in and
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out and doing everything else oh yeah
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and holding down a job um and she's got
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a little 401k
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and that's all well and good right
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until i want that money stan
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and then i have a problem because let's
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say dan has a million-dollar ira uh 401k
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and i have a hundred thousand dollars
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but i'm i'm ready to spend dan's million
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i can't have it
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under the law we're back to those dang
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laws
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i have absolutely no rights to that
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money whatsoever
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in this marriage even though we share
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everything else jointly we do everything
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dan would tell you i do everything
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jointly take all of his um it's stunning
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when you think about these this
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imbalance that and then once he rolls it
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to his ira that i do have to sign off
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and agree that he can roll it over but
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really what what wife isn't going to
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agree of course we agree it's like yeah
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honey whatever you need
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um and then you lose
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all death benefit rights to that money
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and so for me that was one of the really
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hot hot hot topics i am still on that
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there is the
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um
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there's a senate committee on
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retirement and pensions um
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murray ms murray patty murray is the
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head of that right now isn't she from
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like the state of washington washington
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yeah yes yes and she's just very
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on top of retirement
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funding issues good because back to your
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comment that women live longer
18:52
you know we need to first of all we
18:53
actually don't have to control that
18:55
money we need to understand it we need
18:57
to know how much is coming into the
18:59
checkbook you know or if we want to do
19:01
something extra
19:03
will that hurt us
19:05
if we're going to spend that money but
19:06
the fact that
19:07
you can't have it you can't even the the
19:10
companies that
19:12
manage the 401k
19:14
they can't even talk to me about dan's
19:16
401k
19:18
they can't where did that roll come from
19:20
i mean how did that even get started
19:23
yeah that is the way the 401k is right
19:25
they are truly individual arrangements
19:28
and individual means we don't care that
19:30
you're married
19:32
um it is it is outrageous to me and
19:34
actually the funny part of this story
19:36
stan is that it actually is opposite in
19:39
our house i have the bigger 401k and
19:41
i've asked dan to go and he has all
19:44
rights to my iras we've set everything
19:46
up you know we can get in and do
19:48
whatever we need with each other's
19:49
accounts we don't
19:51
willy nilly do it this is mainly because
19:53
i'm more lazy about this than dan is and
19:56
so one day i said to him could you
19:58
please get away in my 401k and sell some
20:00
of fund x and buy something else we had
20:03
agreed that's what we were going to do
20:05
and a couple days later i said hey did
20:06
you finish that did you sell what we
20:08
needed to and you know fix up my 401k
20:12
and he said i couldn't get in
20:14
of course you could get in i set you up
20:17
as an authorized user
20:18
well son of a gun was i wrong i hate to
20:22
be wrong stan
20:23
he couldn't
20:24
you've only been wrong i think what four
20:26
times oh
20:28
maybe maybe that's what i'm thinking
20:30
that's the research we did we we haven't
20:32
really i understand you know what's
20:35
funny about this comment is i wrote down
20:37
i wrote down as you were saying this
20:38
that
20:39
you know with married couples you're
20:40
always like you never want to have
20:42
something hidden you don't want to have
20:43
the slush fund from your from your wife
20:45
or your husband what you're saying is we
20:47
all have one
20:48
we all have one
20:50
yeah the hidden slush fund the slush
20:53
fund that you can't get it get a hold of
20:55
the dollar the million dollar slush fund
20:57
yes
20:59
so it is
21:00
it is enraging there are a couple of
21:02
academics on this um the team at wiser
21:06
women a non-profit organization
21:09
um cindy hansell she has been all over
21:12
this like i said in the senate i mean
21:14
elizabeth warren um our our senator
21:17
senior senator here
21:18
in massachusetts i mean
21:20
it's not unknown
21:22
but until it hits you until you see that
21:26
right and that you are no longer equal
21:30
in the marriage it's like well no wonder
21:32
women don't get involved in money
21:35
you know we've been told forever we
21:36
can't have then finally you know some
21:38
laws open up along the way we can have a
21:40
bit of this a little bit of an estate oh
21:42
honey you can have a credit card now
21:44
but you can't have the million dollar
21:46
ira access
21:48
unless we get divorced and then i get
21:51
half
21:52
so
21:54
how does that work stan it it boggles
21:56
the mind anyway that's one of the things
21:58
putting my hair on fire
22:00
i hear
22:01
i have a happier story i want to hear
22:03
happy yeah because you've become quickly
22:05
one of my favorite people ever because
22:08
if i ever feel down i'm just gonna call
22:09
you because you seem like a walking
22:12
glass half full and i need that because
22:14
i'm a pessimistic realist oh oh that's
22:18
that's quite a term exactly yeah well
22:20
the happy story is about boomers and
22:23
millennials
22:25
i have two daughters dan and i have two
22:26
daughters they are
22:28
phenomenal how old are these daughters
22:30
these daughters are 26 and soon to be
22:33
31. i have a 25 and a 23 year old so we
22:36
are in the same
22:38
category so go absolutely so once
22:40
getting her phd in neural engineering
22:42
the other is a computer scientist and
22:44
data security guru they're amazing these
22:47
girls
22:48
however
22:50
not so interested in investments
22:52
so i wrote a column for this
22:55
march
22:56
women's history month again and i found
23:00
some amazing things going on among
23:02
boomer women
23:04
that we are actually talking to our
23:07
girls our millennial daughters
23:09
about all things money
23:12
and i i just you know kind of cast a
23:14
wide net see who would send in their
23:16
pearl i called pros of wisdom
23:18
what are you talking to your girls about
23:20
now some of the moms immediately said to
23:22
me well i also talked to my son
23:25
okay duly noted but it was women's
23:27
history month and it was sort of
23:29
featuring the girls side of the equation
23:31
right but i was so happy
23:34
to see that so many boomer women not all
23:37
in financial services or anything um
23:40
they're they're really helping their
23:42
millennial daughters
23:44
navigate this crazy system we have out
23:46
there everything from building good
23:48
credit to how to save for your mortgage
23:50
and build your emergency fund that came
23:52
up a lot
23:53
don't touch your 401k you know that is
23:56
lockbox money for for 40 years from now
23:59
trust me on this
24:01
and
24:02
one of my one of the people who sent in
24:04
a thing um
24:06
had a phrase she used that was um
24:10
take it like a man or a man up ladies
24:13
man up ladies okay yes and that was
24:16
around negotiating for a better salary
24:19
or for a promotion at work or even if
24:21
it's a lateral move if it's something
24:22
else you want to do as you're building
24:24
your career
24:25
so i was just
24:27
delighted to see how much conversation
24:31
is going out around the kitchen table
24:33
between boomer moms and their millennial
24:35
daughters so that was a happy
24:37
happier story and i think that's key you
24:39
know my story quickly was my parents
24:42
never invested and we lived in rural
24:44
north carolina and one of the reasons
24:46
i'm in the financial business that have
24:47
been since day one out of college is i
24:49
was trying to figure out how everyone
24:50
else had money and we didn't you know
24:53
why were people investing in we didn't
24:54
as a family and and that has brought me
24:56
to this 30-year career of where i
24:58
totally understand it my girls
25:00
understand it everyone understands it
25:01
but it also makes me reflect and
25:04
and and
25:06
know why there's such a gap between
25:09
people with and without money it's it's
25:11
a you have to teach people how to do
25:14
this and i think it's an educational gap
25:16
that's another
25:17
podcast all together but um you know a
25:19
lot of people think advise all advisors
25:21
come for money
25:22
i think the really good ones don't
25:24
because the really good ones
25:26
look at money differently because we
25:28
didn't have it for so so long and it's
25:30
still we still have what i call scars of
25:32
the lower middle class and those scars
25:35
like i always tell the story is
25:37
going to mcdonald's with my father
25:40
and trying to order the large fry and
25:42
you would thought that i had cussed out
25:44
loud because he looked at me like what
25:45
are you doing i'm like
25:47
you know it was that type of shaming
25:49
about money
25:51
and those scars continue but enough
25:53
about me let's talk about you hey one of
25:55
the one of the things i was reading
25:56
about you
25:58
oh and i'm calling you
26:00
marsha
26:02
well how did i
26:03
me i was going to do a nostradamus play
26:06
so marcia man
26:08
tell adamus
26:10
how about that
26:11
in december of last year you had some
26:14
insight on inflation and i'm looking at
26:17
you as the guru that you should be
26:18
looked at on a pedestal
26:22
marcia you were talking about inflation
26:24
why everything was so expensive in
26:25
december
26:26
of 2021 here we are marcia hey put that
26:30
into context a little bit
26:33
um and kudos for being so right
26:36
wow thanks
26:38
well i track a number of it's come broad
26:42
economic
26:44
trends to see what's going on because i
26:47
i believe i have a couple of
26:48
philosophies stan one is that every
26:51
financial decision
26:52
one makes is a retirement decision
26:56
so you decide to buy a house well you've
26:58
actually made a retirement decision it
27:00
might be a really good one or might sink
27:02
you because you've overbought
27:05
and another
27:06
big philosophy is
27:08
don't get so excited
27:10
like stop with the hype and hoopla of
27:12
all the headlines out there
27:14
um and so when inflation started ramping
27:16
up and everyone was hysterical it's like
27:21
did y'all not live in the 1970s the late
27:24
70s in the early 80s this is not
27:26
inflation this is
27:28
some discomfort
27:30
um so i think it's super important to
27:34
have perspective and always have a
27:36
historic a historical outlook so i go
27:39
back to 1960
27:41
well conveniently i was born in 1961 and
27:44
so i'm sort of interested what has
27:46
happened over my lifetime and you see
27:48
what real inflation is and it was in the
27:51
late 70s and early 80s interestingly
27:53
also an energy situation
27:55
um
27:57
but it's a time there's always
28:00
going to be
28:02
bumps and in this case it's a bigger
28:04
bump it's not a speed bump but this is
28:06
pretty significant for most families to
28:09
have to pay so much more for gas and
28:11
food
28:11
um
28:13
but we have to just take this time to
28:15
reset you reset everything when there's
28:18
an economic
28:21
issue an economic unfortunate situation
28:24
so
28:25
go back to your budget you know it goes
28:27
back to do you have a plan
28:29
this baseline plan that you can run with
28:32
and say oh shoot i was planning on
28:35
whatever it was 200 a month for
28:37
groceries 300 a month for groceries now
28:40
it's 400
28:42
the money doesn't grow on trees so you
28:44
do have to you know
28:46
beg and borrow and steal from all of
28:48
your other discretionary dollars
28:51
and it is an exercise we should all do
28:54
i also grew up with
28:57
very very little and i agree with you
28:59
stan that it does completely
29:02
set our foundation for how we look at
29:05
and respect money absolutely
29:07
it just it doesn't grow on trees you
29:10
have to manage it you have to
29:12
negotiate with it and there are times
29:15
where inflation is going to be rough but
29:18
the last time was 40 years ago
29:20
what did we all expect
29:22
why are we so upset about this
29:25
unless you're in the poorest
29:27
you know economic situation then i get
29:29
it but for the haves like
29:32
just rejigger your budget maybe you have
29:35
to work a year longer or two years
29:36
longer it's okay
29:39
and you may know i track inflation via
29:42
ice cream
29:43
so
29:44
this is a great indicator i mean it's
29:46
that's that's one of the leading goldman
29:48
sachs indicators
29:50
is the ice cream indicator yeah
29:52
i think see because i do work with
29:55
consumers a lot as well like who really
29:57
wants to look at my groovy chart my
29:58
multi-colored chart from 1960 forward
30:01
with the inflation
30:02
mountain in there um
30:04
so it's pick a few things so what are my
30:06
favorite things they're chocolate
30:08
well who doesn't make that number one um
30:11
coffee big number
30:13
two
30:14
and ice cream
30:15
and so what i like about ice cream is it
30:18
gives you a really good look at lots of
30:20
pieces of the economy all rolled into
30:22
one product it's not just eggs yep
30:25
they're in ice cream it's not just milk
30:27
yep they're an ice cream it's not just
30:29
sugar but yep that's an ice cream your
30:31
fruit is in there your chocolate's in
30:33
there and there's a manufacturing
30:35
component to it
30:37
and so to watch this yes it went up you
30:40
know that inflation
30:42
not last year at this time it actually
30:43
was staying the same but then over
30:47
the the
30:48
rest of last year and into this year it
30:49
is speaking up a bit
30:51
but the metrics are all with the same
30:56
um
30:56
volume you know it's a half a gallon of
30:58
ice cream is what's tracked and looked
31:00
at and it does give you a really good
31:02
insight as to where things are heading
31:04
and
31:05
and it puts it in your kitchen
31:08
because that's where we first feel and
31:10
see
31:11
the impacts of inflation
31:13
so you can still buy ice cream you know
31:15
maybe you don't go to the fancy
31:17
dairy store
31:18
you might have to just buy a different
31:20
brand or you eat a little less
31:23
never a bad thing shame on you for
31:25
saying that i know it's like
31:27
heaven forbid but it helps you
31:30
rethink what you're doing with your
31:32
money in your household
31:34
now my research team who gets paid
31:36
handsomely to find out things about you
31:38
that you don't want to know
31:40
almost came back and said something
31:42
about the minnesota golden gophers can
31:44
you please because i have a i i i have a
31:48
connection with them so i want to know
31:50
what your connection is with the
31:51
minnesota university of minnesota if you
31:54
live in twin cities they call it the you
31:57
yes okay so the minnesota golden gophers
32:00
what is that about off topic
32:02
um
32:03
on topic as far as i'm concerned okay
32:05
minnesota golden gophers and marsha
32:08
mantel got together in 1983.
32:11
i spent my last semester of college
32:14
at the university of minnesota because
32:17
soon-to-be husband dan
32:19
was getting his phd in chemistry at
32:22
the u
32:23
the u
32:24
yes so we were students he was a grad
32:27
student and you we could get very cheap
32:30
tickets to the golden gopher football
32:32
team the marching band is my favorite
32:34
part of the golden gophers and now we
32:36
have a friend my one of my very dear
32:39
girlfriends who still lives in minnesota
32:41
her nephew
32:42
just graduated but he was on the u's
32:45
hockey team men's hockey team
32:47
so we are big time golden gopher fans
32:49
and both of my girls are living in the
32:52
twin cities younger one has her computer
32:55
science degree from the university of
32:56
minnesota and older one is getting her
32:58
phd at none other than the university of
33:01
new york and just just fun fact about
33:04
fun fact about the university of
33:05
minnesota as i put myself through
33:07
college playing college basketball i
33:09
used to work summer camps to make money
33:11
in the summer and one of the places i
33:12
always worked for
33:14
was jim dutcher he was head coach at the
33:15
university of minnesota we worked there
33:17
me and a friend of mine and really loved
33:20
the you love minnesota the other fun
33:22
fact is my ceo and director of
33:24
operations she
33:26
is from
33:27
the twin cities and um so you know she
33:30
is
33:31
she runs the annuity men
33:33
llc the big huge
33:35
operations center operations center in
33:38
las vegas nevada which is where we're
33:40
based
33:41
and um she's yeah she's from the twin
33:43
cities and we we have a satellite office
33:45
there as well so
33:46
that's cool but the other thing that i
33:48
want to ask you and this is one that
33:51
that tweaked my interest marcia because
33:53
you you obviously are looking at life
33:55
through a different lens than most which
33:57
i like i like that
34:00
you talk about if you can make lasagna
34:03
then you can create a retirement income
34:05
plan now let's stop right there and let
34:07
me go on record that lasagna is one of
34:10
my favorite foods of all time and i am
34:12
expecting that when i
34:14
hit your town soon there will be a pan
34:16
of it waiting for me
34:19
i consider it done exactly absolutely
34:22
stem
34:23
love lasagna oh gosh
34:26
when i
34:27
present out you know back in the old
34:29
days when we could go out and present in
34:31
front of big crowds
34:32
i would ask an audience of many
34:34
consumers
34:36
typically boomers who here knows how to
34:38
make lasagna and with every couple at
34:40
least one hand goes up
34:42
and then i would ask who makes the best
34:45
lasagna in the room
34:47
and twice as many hands all of a sudden
34:48
would go up nice and i'd always said
34:51
great
34:52
and my
34:53
point there was twofold
34:56
the first is i think it's very important
34:58
to understand
34:59
baby boomers we are the ones who are
35:01
retiring right now and we are the ones
35:03
with all the money you know except for a
35:05
few really wealthy gen xers and
35:07
millennials but and they're gonna and
35:08
they're gonna blow it marcia we you know
35:10
we we both know they're not mature
35:11
enough to hang on so that's right so
35:15
we're carrying a big load here exactly
35:18
so
35:19
we've got
35:20
not only this money but we're not well
35:24
understood in many facets and one of the
35:27
things that anchors us as a generation
35:29
is by and large like it or not women did
35:32
all the cooking
35:33
um we were in the kitchen we feed our
35:35
families it's good god three meals a day
35:38
those children do nothing but eat stand
35:40
exactly so we have this common ground
35:43
which is what i try to establish when
35:45
i'm working with groups of consumers so
35:47
we establish that they do in fact know
35:49
how to make lasagna and the reason i
35:51
picked that and not something chocolate
35:53
is because i picture my counter when i'm
35:55
making lasagna and it is covered with
35:58
ingredients right okay you got your big
36:00
pan you got your
36:01
cooking spray or your olive oil you've
36:04
got your ricotta you've got
36:07
exactly you've got your mozzarella you
36:09
got your pasta noodles that hopefully
36:11
you haven't overcooked in the water you
36:13
made your sauce you got your mushrooms
36:16
and your onions and
36:17
all these ingredients
36:19
and they're all over your counter and
36:21
that is not a lasagna as you know that's
36:23
just a bunch of ingredients
36:25
that is like
36:27
all the money stuff you have going into
36:31
retirement you got an ira over here dan
36:34
has his roth over there this one 40k is
36:36
at 401k that one 403 b
36:38
set by array you know a taxable account
36:42
a trust account barriers and layers
36:45
layers and layers
36:46
so until
36:48
you start putting it all together in
36:50
that 13x9 pan
36:53
all you have are ingredients
36:55
but with the retirement income plans you
36:57
got all those ingredients all over your
36:58
worksheet
36:59
now you start to layer it and there is
37:02
an order you know if you don't put the
37:04
ricotta on the bottom you got to put the
37:06
noodles down first that's true so
37:08
there's an order to approaching
37:10
retirement income planning and
37:12
and if you can make a lasagna you
37:13
actually can figure out this retirement
37:15
income stuff i love it and i got the
37:17
additional correlation so of course you
37:19
know marketing brains rolling as you're
37:21
saying that i'm like you can't overcook
37:23
it you got to pull it out of the oven
37:25
and put it somewhere safe to cool off
37:27
meaning you can't call all in in the
37:29
markets when you are retired
37:32
marcia we have to package this somehow
37:35
and sell it to the baby boomers the
37:37
retirement income lasagna plan
37:40
um i like it i like it a lot except for
37:43
the onions you lost me there marshall
37:45
really you can't oh my god lasagna and i
37:48
i'm telling you i have people driving
37:50
down the road and on treadmills that are
37:52
yelling you're right stan
37:54
you're right where is this woman from to
37:57
put onions and lasagna in your sauce
38:00
you know what that's the equation i mean
38:02
putting onions in lasagna is like is
38:05
like trading options in retirement
38:09
cryptocurrencies absolutely no sense or
38:11
yeah it just makes absolutely no sense
38:12
it doesn't it doesn't feel right it
38:14
doesn't taste right no i'm kidding
38:20
i i make what i call vegetarian lasagna
38:22
i use um zucchini to make the noodles
38:25
because i now have this gluten issue
38:27
nothing like getting old and so i make
38:29
vegetarian lasagna with sausage my
38:32
family i loved i love that my my
38:34
daughter
38:35
made me become a vegan for three years
38:37
it was a horrific three years
38:39
and i and i vowed after i got my health
38:43
back together that i'm not doing that
38:45
again okay
38:46
um
38:47
because you can't substitute noodles for
38:50
zucchini or they talk they call them
38:52
what do they call them zoodles well a
38:54
zoodle is not a noodle
38:56
no now we're getting off track here but
38:58
i do like the correlation of making
39:00
lasagna retirement plan it is a layered
39:02
process it is a plan that has to be in
39:05
place you can't randomly do it
39:08
um and it's got this myriad of
39:10
ingredients
39:12
you know because every one of our
39:13
account types is different we got tax
39:15
free we've got text deferred we've got
39:16
rmds on some things we inherit things
39:18
you know it's this hodgepodge
39:21
but there's really a recipe here
39:24
and there's an order to it and yeah so
39:26
anyway that's that's what i came up with
39:27
and and then all the women in the
39:29
audience knew they made the best lasagna
39:30
and by golly if you can get people
39:32
thinking they're doing the best
39:34
they're gonna play along with you right
39:36
they're gonna work on this retirement
39:38
income plan
39:39
marcia
39:41
another really good
39:42
question from stanley nudie man one of
39:44
the top
39:46
podcasts in the country growing by leaps
39:48
and bounds because i ask questions like
39:49
this
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what does adopting a cat have to do with
39:53
retirement
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i did my research marcia you did i'm
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very impressed um i guess out on my
40:02
boomer retirement briefs facebook page
40:04
today are my two cats mr whiskers and
40:08
his little sister sky
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um is that sky with two y's
40:13
no just one why why not actually like i
40:16
love sky s-k-y-e
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okay
40:19
they're my little scottish kitty cats
40:21
brother and sister that we adopted from
40:22
a local animal shelter cat shelter here
40:25
in massachusetts okay and it turns out
40:27
june is
40:28
national adopt a cat month because after
40:31
the litters happen in the spring
40:33
the shelters are often overrun with the
40:36
little sweet kitty cats so
40:39
it's just one of those national things
40:40
and i try to do a fair amount on twitter
40:43
and facebook and such so in honor of my
40:46
little kitty cats i posted out there so
40:48
how do we correlate that to retirement
40:51
planning can we do that can can i can i
40:54
just can you wing that one for me
40:56
absolutely okay it's um
40:59
be involved
41:00
you can volunteer in retirement at any
41:03
kind of shelter you know animals are
41:05
your thing you can adopt dogs or cats
41:08
um and it
41:10
helps with this era if you don't have a
41:13
really good plan you know there's the
41:15
money side we often focus on the money
41:17
side i do an equal amount on the time
41:20
side what are you going to do stan when
41:23
you got nothing but 80 new hours a week
41:25
to fill
41:27
like
41:28
i mean that's an easy that's an easy
41:29
answer for me i mean i go on tour with
41:31
my rock band and you know
41:33
i mean that's that's what we do
41:35
so you should not have a pet because we
41:37
don't want to leave them home there's
41:38
only one problem i don't have a rock
41:40
band yet but that is the plan that's the
41:42
that's the master plan going forward
41:44
yeah
41:44
no no why would that why would that get
41:46
in the way for goodness sake actually
41:50
yeah so it is it's looking for volunteer
41:52
things and you know important things
41:54
areas of responsibility i don't like
41:56
this loneliness epidemic that we deal
41:59
with in older age
42:00
um that is really a problem again women
42:04
live longer and sometimes much longer
42:06
than their husbands
42:08
and this loneliness and
42:11
feeling abandoned you know is it is a
42:14
real thing
42:15
cova did not help
42:17
yeah and that's that's an unfortunate
42:18
part of retirement but we can avoid that
42:22
yeah money does not solve problems and i
42:25
tell all of my clients and all my
42:27
listeners have heard this before but you
42:29
probably have too but there's no u-hauls
42:30
behind hearses and if you see one take a
42:32
picture and send it to me
42:34
and i do that's that is kind of one of
42:36
my goals in life is at when i finally
42:39
retire
42:40
is to buy a hearse pimp it out with all
42:42
kinds of with all kinds of stereo
42:44
systems also and have a u-haul behind me
42:46
and just drive across the country
42:49
i don't know why i want to do that but i
42:51
do i'm sure my wife will not join me but
42:54
no no i think she might be game she's
42:56
something she's a pretty awesome wife
42:57
she's she has put up she has put up with
42:59
a lot there is no doubt about it
43:01
um
43:03
but
43:04
um
43:05
so
43:06
i'm interested with a person like you
43:08
who's so vibrant and fun and smart and
43:11
you've done so much and you you really
43:13
have given a lot
43:14
to the financial services business and
43:16
have been named to every single list
43:18
ever
43:19
and you've done this for three decades
43:21
what makes you get back up in the
43:22
morning and do it again what's the
43:24
passion why are you doing this marcia
43:27
i'm doing this because
43:30
others can't
43:32
they're not ready they're not equipped
43:34
they don't have that foundation
43:36
but they're still gonna retire
43:39
and almost every morning not every
43:41
morning but almost every morning i got
43:43
up and the first thing i do is i play on
43:45
twitter i check twitter really to see
43:48
has anything moved in congress
43:51
has anyone done anything good for our
43:54
elderly
43:55
is there any
43:56
new idea out there that's helping our
44:00
older americans
44:02
or is it just the same old crap and then
44:04
i've got to be there to help them
44:07
interpret what's going on and explain
44:10
why
44:11
things are the way they are and this is
44:13
what we have to deal with today
44:15
but i'm ever hopeful
44:17
stan i
44:19
you know like like this week or last
44:21
week where we yeah late last week the
44:23
social security trustees report came out
44:26
and of course and i just i just lay in
44:28
wait it's like oh let's see all the
44:30
hysterical headlines coming back out
44:33
because i have to then turn around and
44:34
tamp all that down both for our industry
44:37
and for real people it's like please
44:40
people
44:41
read beyond the headlines
44:43
the headlines just want to catch you you
44:45
shouldn't stop reading at that point
44:48
and these are big decisions they make a
44:50
difference they make a difference when
44:52
you're 85 when you're 89 when you're 98
44:55
my mother-in-law just turned 98 my
44:57
father-in-law 99. wow you know
45:00
it they're just it's amazing
45:03
this last chapter and it's long it's 30
45:06
years long
45:08
i get up every day so i can see what's
45:10
next
45:12
we're going to have links to marsha's um
45:15
blog which is called boomer retirement
45:17
briefs and it's really cool you need to
45:19
go there to get her inside etc i i'm
45:22
sorry i didn't mention your other book
45:23
which i thought was great as well it's
45:25
called what's the deal with social
45:26
security for women
45:29
that that pairs with you know what's the
45:30
deal with retirement planning for women
45:32
so she's done that but i would encourage
45:34
you to visit her site a lot again we're
45:36
gonna have her um
45:38
her link on our site that you can go and
45:40
look because she answers questions that
45:42
are in everyone's mind like you know
45:44
will i have enough money to last
45:45
throughout my retirement or should i
45:47
claim social security early to to get it
45:50
before it's gone or
45:52
how will i be able to afford health care
45:54
costs once i'm on medicare the things
45:56
that don't that's on everyone's mind
45:59
marsha is succinctly hammering that
46:02
factually
46:04
within her materials or books and her
46:05
blogs and all that stuff we're just
46:07
we're just honored that she brought it
46:09
down to our level at the consumer level
46:12
and not talking to the financial
46:13
advisors because i think it's important
46:14
for people to know
46:16
the brains behind the financial advisors
46:19
getting the information from you and
46:21
this is good for the consumers to know
46:23
who that person is
46:25
um and that's you um
46:28
so you started i mean you you're coming
46:30
up on the 20-year and a couple years of
46:33
men tell retirement consulting
46:36
i am
46:37
it has been you on quite a journey
46:40
yeah quite a journey you know and i quit
46:42
working at fidelity so i could see my
46:44
kids you know my kids were just my older
46:47
one was just going in high school and my
46:48
younger one was in fourth grade and i
46:50
never saw them and it's like this can't
46:52
happen
46:53
so i didn't have a grand plan i just
46:55
knew i needed to be home for dinner
46:58
and
46:59
i am
47:01
stunned yeah i'm coming year 17 on july
47:04
first good for you so
47:06
yeah two more two more questions because
47:07
we got to wrap it up we could talk with
47:09
you forever and and certainly hope
47:12
that you will be back on um the podcast
47:14
and and and enlighten us with some new
47:17
things and things that are on your mind
47:18
and and other retirement recipes so to
47:21
speak
47:22
um
47:24
what's what's the new stuff that's
47:27
getting your attention right now i mean
47:29
you you've forgotten more than most
47:30
people will ever know
47:32
in your space but what's the new things
47:34
that are saying wait a minute this is
47:36
this is peaking my interest is there
47:38
anything
47:39
that's new for you
47:43
while there's not a lot new
47:45
i will say there's a new experience i
47:48
was a
47:50
um a greeter for the aarp tax foundation
47:54
this past tax season okay
47:57
aarp among other groups but aarp is one
48:00
of the largest they do for free tax
48:02
filing for seniors yes
48:05
and the
48:07
1040 sr which is the seniors
48:11
1040 form um is in much bigger print
48:14
which i love like stop with the eight
48:16
point type people you know i need 20
48:18
point type now um it was absolutely
48:22
amazing to see
48:24
older americans men and women
48:27
how utterly frustrated and confused they
48:30
are over our tax system yeah that's true
48:33
so i'm i'm kind of hot on the whole tax
48:35
thing i mean good god can we make it
48:37
easier
48:38
um that's that's new for me
48:41
what else is new um
48:43
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48:44
you know it is it is hard to have new oh
48:48
no you know what i'm wrong my other new
48:50
hot thing is
48:52
the medicare part d which is the
48:54
prescription drug plan right
48:56
seems like it's so helpful to have some
48:59
assistance with your prescription drugs
49:01
but i've done i started and i
49:03
did one county here plymouth county in
49:06
massachusetts to see how much the the i
49:08
call them the designer drugs you know
49:10
the ads that you see on tv
49:12
20 times a day
49:14
all those designer drugs cost money
49:16
well how much
49:18
and the things that i've uncovered
49:21
were just stunning
49:22
stan that
49:24
if you now again i think of the 85 year
49:26
old grandma right who needs a particular
49:29
drug to keep her healthy she walks two
49:31
blocks down to her favorite drug store
49:34
and she pays a thousand dollars for that
49:36
drug for the year right because she
49:38
didn't know if she could just drive two
49:41
miles to the east
49:43
at a different pharmacy it would cost
49:45
her 12
49:47
for the year
49:48
and i find that kind of
49:51
hidden
49:52
i'm a big custer but i won't swear here
49:55
um
49:56
that kind of shenanigans
49:59
to be
50:00
utterly
50:01
awful that this is how americans are
50:04
treating
50:06
yeah it's hideous it's absolutely
50:07
hideous i agree with that and they're
50:10
they're targets
50:12
senior citizens are targets voluntarily
50:15
and involuntarily
50:16
i get mad at both i mean you just talked
50:19
about an involuntary one that it's just
50:21
more of an educational thing and shame
50:24
on the
50:25
whoever's in charge i guess we all are
50:27
for not for not helping with that one
50:30
last question this is the one that i
50:31
never tell my guest that i'm gonna ask
50:35
and it's a good one and what i do marcia
50:38
is i do what's called the mic drop
50:40
moment and i'm going to hand you the mic
50:42
and in about
50:43
one to three minutes your call you're
50:46
going to say something so profound in
50:48
such a walk away that you're going to be
50:49
able to drop the mic walk away
50:51
and strut away from the microphone and
50:54
podcast so people go not only was that a
50:56
great podcast but she left everything on
50:58
the floor and that was a great comment
51:00
so five four three two one go
51:04
the most important thing i've ever done
51:07
is be a mom
51:09
and i think we as an industry
51:13
do not
51:14
give moms enough credit
51:17
we don't help these women we don't
51:19
respect their journey we generally don't
51:22
even know she had a journey
51:24
and where it comes to fruition for me
51:27
stan
51:28
is when
51:29
at-home moms in particular get to that
51:32
cliff that retirement cliff and we say
51:34
download your most current social
51:35
security statement and let's look and
51:37
see how many
51:38
benefits you're going to get in
51:40
retirement
51:41
and she downloads a statement
51:44
and says this can't be right
51:46
can it
51:47
it's all zeros
51:49
and then she finds out
51:51
oh it's zeros for her but since she's
51:54
married she'll get half of his
51:58
but she looks at that after all those
52:00
years
52:01
raising those kids petting the kitties
52:04
cleaning the litter box making 95 000
52:06
freaking dinners
52:08
and she's worthless
52:10
and i think that's another one of those
52:12
areas that is just
52:15
a wrong that is so wrong i don't have
52:18
words for it
52:19
that the lack of respect we have for
52:22
at-home moms and the jobs moms do
52:26
is unacceptable
52:28
i i totally agree and that person you
52:31
just heard if you didn't enjoy this
52:32
podcast you're not breathing that person
52:35
is marcia mantel i really really
52:37
appreciate you being here and i
52:38
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52:40
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