Are You Surfing Beside a Stock Market Cruise Ship?: Fun With Annuities

Are you “surfing beside a cruise ship” in today’s all‑time‑high stock market, hoping you don’t get sucked under when the next downturn hits? In this solo episode, Stan the Annuity Man breaks down how to use annuities to lock in lifetime guarantees, build an income floor, and stop confusing a bull market with financial genius.
In this episode, The Annuity Man discussed:
- Current stock market euphoria and AI-driven highs
- The “surfing beside a cruise ship” risk metaphor
- What annuities are actually good for (PILL framework)
- The annuity industry’s monopoly on lifetime income
- Building an income floor and avoiding growth-focused annuity traps
Key Takeaways:
- Markets at all‑time highs can feel effortless, but that “easy money” environment can quickly reverse, especially when driven by hype cycles like artificial intelligence.
- Annuities should be used to provide contractual guarantees—such as principal protection and lifetime income—not to chase stock market–like growth.
- Before buying any annuity, you should clearly define what you want the money to contractually do and when those guarantees must start.
- The real, underused power of annuities is their ability to provide guaranteed income for as long as you live, something no standard market product can replicate.
- Establishing a non‑market‑correlated income floor first allows you to ride market waves more confidently without panicking or selling at the worst possible time.
"If you buy them for growth, you're a fool. Annuities, never buy them for market growth. Go buy the market." — Stan The Annuity Man
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Welcome to Fun with Annuities. I'm your
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host, Stan, the Annuity Man, America's
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annuity agent, licensed in all 50 states
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in Puerto Rico, the founder of
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Contractual Guarantees Only, which means
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you own an annuity for what it will do,
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not what it might do. Today's topic is a
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fun one. I came up with it, of course.
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It's are you surfing beside a stock
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market cruise ship? Envision the cruise
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ship. You've been on the cruise ship
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creates the waves to the side. you know,
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look at the timing of this um this this
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wonderful Fund with Annuities podcast
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and we're at all-time stock market highs
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and regardless if you're watching this
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years down the road, markets go up and
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down and people have creative memories.
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They're like, well, you know, it's still
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going up. We're in a market currently
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where you just throw a dart at it. This
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is going up. Artificial intelligence is
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is blowing the market up and it's it
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seems to be working and I'm crossing my
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fingers that it does work. I have been
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through actual market declines
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um 87 2008 and hopefully there's not
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another one but it kind of feels eerily
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similar
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um to that whole dot error and that the
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whole bubble that we went through just
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this artificial intelligence eventually
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my opinion um and having worked for you
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know Dean Witter Morgan Stanley Payne
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Weber UBS I've been on that side of the
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table and it just feels a little shaky
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right now. Um, not to mention the
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geopolitics at the time of this taping.
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Surfing beside a a cruise ship is what
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it feels like if you're in the markets.
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Um, and always say, well, you know, you
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can you can certainly catch a wave if
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you're surfing beside a cruise ship, but
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eventually you're going to get sucked
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under the boat. And I feel like a lot of
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people have creative memory from the,
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you know, the last kind of downturn
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market. And I I remember I was here um
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and people, oh, I'm never going to do
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that again, Stan. I mean, I'm This one
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left a mark. This one left a scar. I'm
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never going to let that happen again.
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Now, I mean, everybody's all in and
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rolling the dice overhand with a running
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start.
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But I want you to think about
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annuitities
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um and sequence of return risk. Not to
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go down that rabbit hole, but in
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essence, what annuities can do is smooth
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out that volatility by putting in place
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guarantees. Whether those guarantees are
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for principal protection or those
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guarantees are for lifetime income.
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I'm the best friend that Wall Street
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ever. They don't know I'm their best
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friend. They think I'm the evil Stan the
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annuity man because I take money out of
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their all their uh you know brokerage
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accounts and and and things like that,
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mutual funds and put them in annuities.
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But if Wall Street was smart, they would
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hire me as their key consultant to put
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in the income floors and put in
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principal protection products so that
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people would invest their money
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properly. And when I mean properly,
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meaning that when markets are volatile,
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they don't panic and sell. They ride it
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out because they have the guarantees in
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place. Annuitities are the best thing
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that could ever happen for you ever,
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ever, ever if you use them the right
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way. Now, if you buy them for growth,
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you're a fool. Okay? Annuitities, never
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buy them for market growth. Go buy the
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market.
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If if someone shows you something and
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says, "This is a great annuity. You can
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get market upside. You protect the
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principle. You get market upside, and
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you buffer some of the downside." The
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only question you ask them is, "Does it
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have surrender charges
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or are you charging me this ongoing fee
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or both?" And if the answer is yes to
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any of that, move on.
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Stock market growth has no surrender
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charges.
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We clear.
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Annuitities
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Annuities
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solve for four things. Principal
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protection, income for life, legacy, and
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long-term care. That acronym acronym is
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pill. To determine if you even need an
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annuity and what annuity would provide
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the highest contractual guarantee, ask
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two questions. What do you want the
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money to contractually do? And when do
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you want those contractual guarantees to
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start?
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It's that simple. You do not buy
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hypothetical. You do not buy
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theoretical. You do not buy projected.
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You do not buy back tested. You do not
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buy for upfront bonuses.
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If it sounds too good to be true, it is
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every single time without exception. Are
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we clear?
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For whatever reason,
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this industry has a For whatever reason,
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this industry, the annuity industry,
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ignores the monopoly that they have. And
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that monopoly is lifetime income.
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And you're saying, "Yeah, there's no
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there's no other product that does
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that." You're right. But what does the
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annuity industry do? They they really
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just kind of ignore that part. Oh, we're
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all about growth. We're all about
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potential. We have all these packaged
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products, these high commission products
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for potential and maybe some upside.
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The dumbest marketing decisions of all
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time,
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business schools, Harvard business,
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Stanford business, Michigan business
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schools, they're going to study the
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complete and absolute stupidity of that
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decision. that greed only decision.
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Well, we're, you know, middle America
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wants guarantees, but let's just kind of
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show them some potential as well. Now,
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they want guarantees.
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How can you have a monopoly on lifetime
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income? Nobody. No other product can do
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it. Don't say 30-year bond. I'll blow
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you up. What if you live 35 years?
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Lifetime income. As long as you're
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breathing andor on a respirator, you're
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going to get paid.
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Annuitities, there's four types of
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annuities that provide that lifetime
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income guarantee. Annuities is the only
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product that can do that. And with life
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expectancy tables getting ready to
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change, meaning that artificial
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intelligence is going to shorten the
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medical breakthrough time periods, which
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means we're going to live longer.
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I'm the only one talking about lifetime
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income.
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I don't get it. You already own the best
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social security is the best pension
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annuity on the planet. I don't own an
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annuity. It's social security.
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It's a pension.
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So the stock market's fine. Go get
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growth. Go do it. Knock yourself out.
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You know, be Johnny Trader or Joanna
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Trader. Go for it.
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Market growth. Great. But put the
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guarantees in place. You're surfing
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beside a cruise ship. Put the guarantees
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in place. You're surfing beside a cruise
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ship. Don't get sucked under the boat.
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Don't allow some advisor to say, "Well,
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you don't need an annuity guarantee.
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We'll just take the profits off the top
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and that'll be your income stream and
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we'll just keep everything in the
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markets."
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Bull market much. Do not confuse a bull
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market with genius.
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Anybody a trout fish could if a if trout
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had arms, they could throw darts at this
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market and make money. Even Jim Kramer
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is making money. No offense, Jim, but
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you know what I'm saying.
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This is easy.
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Be proactive. Put the guarantees in
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place. At a minimum, put your income
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floor in place. Stan, what's an income
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floor? Good question. An income floor is
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the guarantee amount of money that hits
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your bank account every single month
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that's not correlated. What's
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non-correlated, Stan? It has nothing to
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do with the stock market.
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What's your income floor? What is that?
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put your income floor in place with a
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little fluff for for your for your
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spouse that's put up with you. Put that
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income floor in place and then go mark
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go to the markets and invest
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and never buy annuities for growth.
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Market growth.
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Growth can be MA type growth, CD type
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growth, but market growth, no no.
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I tell the story all the time. I when I
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left um my last stop in Wall Street was
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UBS and um and I came out to the annuity
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industry. Long story on why, but I did
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my research. Here I am, top agent in the
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country, dominant. I still to this day
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cannot believe the crap growth stories
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that are out there at the seminar on the
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seminar series or now on the internet
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where guys well this is this index of
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duty this this RER this variable. I'm
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like what what are you talking about?
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good friend of mine and I'll close with
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this story. Good friend of mine's been
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in the business for 40 years. One of the
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top brains in the annuity industry in my
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opinion and that's saying a lot. And um
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I finally said, you know, please show me
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some index annuities that actually
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worked. And he gave me one and it was
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attached to NASDAQ or somewhere. I said,
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but what was the NASDAQ return? And um
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he said, "Well, it was you know 30 40%
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that year." I said, "What was the index
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annuity return?" It was single digits. I
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said, "That's not success."
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Come on, man.
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Be careful in these markets. Be careful
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in markets in general. The older you
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get, the less time you have to make up
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for market downturns. Can I get an
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annuity? Amen. On that one.
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Put the guarantees in place. Put them in
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place. Whether it's principal protection
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or whether it's lifetime income to cover
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that income floor. But do that and go
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surf beside the cruise ship. Doesn't
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matter. It'll all work out. My name is
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Stan the annuity man. That's fun with
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annuities. We had some fun. See you next
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time.
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