098 Bill Black: Life Insurance Trends - Are Your Affairs In Order?

IN THIS EPISODE, THE ANNUITY MAN AND BILL BLACK DISCUSS:
- The predictability of death
- Long-term care rider
- Beating life insurance with investing
- Being wary of “tax-free income”
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
- Death is predictably imminent. We’ll never know when we’ll pass or if we’ll be needing long-term care somewhere along with our life. That’s why it’s best to get a life insurance policy with a long-term care benefit rider.
- Getting standalone long-term care is not as good as getting it as a rider for an insurance policy. As a rider, the 1%, 2%, or 3% benefit can be turned on or off as needed, which means you’ve got a lot of choice in the matter and that the money won’t disappear in case you don’t get to use it.
- If you want to beat life insurance with investing, you’d need to earn 10% of your money every year for the next 30 years. If you can do that, you should be running a hedge fund.
- When looking at high cash value policies, don’t fall for “tax-free income”; it’s actually a loan.
"There are no silver bullets - there’s nothing out there that’s always the right answer, or never the right answer." — Bill Black.
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welcome to fun with annuities i'm your
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host stan the annuity man america's
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annuity agent license in all 50 states
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so glad you joined us on all major
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podcast platforms and the fun with
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annuities youtube channel i'm very happy
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to have a repeat guest on because he is
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in my opinion in my opinion is the only
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one that matters the number one
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life insurance mind in the country has
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been doing it for decades and decades
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and decades i know he looks young to all
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you people looking on the uh fun with
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annuities youtube channel that's because
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he's a triathlete he actually exercises
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so welcome back to fun with annuities
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bill
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black
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appreciate you having me uh stan always
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a pleasure to be here always having fun
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bill and i go way back we've been
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friends for a long long time we used to
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do
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uh large speeches together where we're
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standing in front of thousands of people
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talking about life insurance and
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annuities we had so much fun and the fun
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part about bill and i is bill's like six
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foot eight i'm six foot six so when we
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walk into a room it's like holy crap
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look at those guys man they're huge and
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i always tell people it's just we see
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the markets better we see the door we
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see things better because we're taller
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we don't have any people in our way
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right bill right that's right we can see
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over the crowd
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exactly let's jump right in bill black
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um has forgotten more about life
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insurance than anyone knows and and
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that's saying a lot he had he has a mind
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for life insurance like i've never seen
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and he is the reason and that's the
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reason that every single person that
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says hey stan
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uh who would you recommend for life
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insurance every single person goes to
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bill black and if you're on this call
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you've been you've talked to bill he
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he's just like me he shoots it straight
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he's factual he's not going to bsu
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there's no sales pitches and if bill
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black never sold another life insurance
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policy in the world ever he's going to
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be fine he's been doing this for decades
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and decades and decades in fact he might
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even have the record for his many i
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guess million-tel million dollar
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roundtable awards i mean this guy
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is prolific bill tell me about the life
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insurance industry in 2022
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that's different from 2021 is there
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anything that we're going to see
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marketedly different
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with the products out there
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you know there are there is some
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significant changes that are going on
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so one thing i don't know if you saw the
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other day
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where the president of one america
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came out and one america is a very large
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life insurance company
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and they said that the mortality was up
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40 percent
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in certain age groups if i'm not
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mistaken 18 to 64 in the last year that
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means dying bill mortality means uh
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dying correct
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and if you're an insurance company
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paying out the claims faster than you
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anticipated oops that has to do with
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pricing yes now the other thing that has
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to do with pricing is interest rates
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and so interest rates have gone through
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the floor as we all know
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i had a client's
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statement come across my desk from a
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bank today
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no surprise the bank was paying him
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point zero one percent
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on his cash let's just call it zero
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interest and as you've said many times
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before everything is a function of the
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10-year treasury rate right so when
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rates are very very low
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it's very difficult for an insurance
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company to make money on the
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premiums that they collect and hold
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because
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you know when they when they collect a
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premium they expect to have earnings on
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that money which helps discount the
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premiums they charge
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what does that have to do with anything
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it means that insurance companies are
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repricing their policies
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some companies have totally gotten out
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of the life insurance business
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and then the type of policy that you
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and i used to always
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kind of use as the go-to policy called
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the guaranteed premium
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policy which was a lot like term to age
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100 right
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rock bottom premium the client had a
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significant survivor's benefit but was
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paying very little for it that's what i
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have i've got you know so if i show up
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dead unexpectedly bill then my wife and
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kids have offed me so just remember that
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but yeah that's what i have right level
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term is what we call it as well
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yeah and so you have level term premium
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this level for 10 15 20 or 30 years so i
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was talking to a client just the other
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day and and he said well why is my
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insurance higher than these online
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quotes i could get i said well because
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your term is level till you're 100 years
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of age which is a little bit different
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than i mean you know 20-year level term
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is going to be more expensive than
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10-year level term because you're
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guaranteeing the the rate out for a
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longer period of time and you can
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imagine that a 30-year level term is
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going to be higher than a 10-year level
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term because if you're 35 at the end of
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10 years or 45 at the end of 30 years or
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65 there's a difference in mortality in
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those intervening years
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well
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so you're 35 you're 45 you're 55 and you
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buy a 30-year level term policy that's
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not going to take you to life expectancy
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no
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so if you have a permanent need for
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insurance for example
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estate taxes liquidity for debt
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for family for whatever reason you're
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typically going to need a policy that's
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going to last you longer than those
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level premium periods but you don't want
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to pay a lot more for it hence the type
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of policies we're talking about the
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guaranteed premium universal life which
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we call
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uh
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you know
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as a descriptive name termed age 100
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because you can guarantee that premature
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100 years of age how do the insurance
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companies
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do that well they they do a mathematical
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calculation what do we have to pay out
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what's life expectancy and then they
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discount that and when you are earning
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zero on your money there's not a lot of
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room for discounting so those policies
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are coming off the market
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that is my favorite policy for a client
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for the very reason that it has the
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lowest premium out there you're not
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building cash value in those policies
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so what i say to the insurance company
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is
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forget the cash value cut my premium to
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the bone because if you've got a million
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dollar policy and a 300 000 cash value
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and you pass away your beneficiary gets
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a million dollars if you've got a
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million dollar policy and a 300 000 cash
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value and you borrow out the 300 when
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you pass away your survivor gets 700 000
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so what good is this cash value doing
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cut my premium to the bone i got my cash
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value over here in premium savings and
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stocks funds mutual funds you know side
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investment cds whatever that might be
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then my beneficiary is going to get the
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value of that
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investment account from my premium
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savings as well as the survivors benefit
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from the insurance so
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those policies are endangered due to the
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interest rates uh going down so that's
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the biggest change that's going on
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and it's one of those things where there
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are one or two
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three come there's very few companies
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that are still
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making those policies available but
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they're fewer
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all the time so
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that's that's that is an endangered
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species for lack of a better way of
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putting it got it
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um
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coveted
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i know you've heard of it bill it's this
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little this this little disease out
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there that's that's taking people out to
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the tune at the time of this taping 900
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000
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people in the united states how's that
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affecting life insurance companies bill
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not not much the the thing is that the
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uh
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the mortality from that is not that
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significant of an increase
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it's it's um
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it hasn't been that big of a factor this
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other thing where the mortality is
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increased by 40 can't be explained by
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covid so the question is where are those
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mortalities coming from and it hasn't
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been figured out yet
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is it because of the depression from
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people being locked down that you know
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they say that there's a lot more people
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passing away from
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the lockdown because of depression
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alcoholism drugs opioids opioids yeah
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right yeah fentanyl all of those type of
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things so i was just reading an article
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the other day getting off point but
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between 18 and 45 more people were dying
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from fentanyl than
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covet car accident suicide and something
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else combined so there's a lot of
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there's a lot of factors out there and
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these are all recalculated into
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rates every every year by the insurance
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companies because you know one thing
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about mortality
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it's a pretty exact science you can look
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at a mortality curve and a lot of the
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times at the beginning of the year the
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carriers know what they're going to pay
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out at the end of the year and you
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really kind of want that because
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you don't want an insurance company that
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you're insured with that hasn't done
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their math right and they're not around
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to pay your claim right so that doesn't
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happen in life insurance life insurance
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mortality is pretty well predicted the
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only thing that happens is people end up
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living longer than was anticipated
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because of medical breakthroughs which
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means the carrier can hold onto your
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money longer before they pay it out
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which gives them a premium savings which
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lets them reduce
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what they charge you
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uh as opposed to casualty
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uh which is like what you have for your
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boat your car your house how many
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hurricanes are gonna have this year how
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many earthquakes you're gonna have this
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year how many floods right that's that's
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an unknown variable but mortality it's
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pretty good that's the reason i always
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say life insurance companies have the
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big buildings for a reason because they
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know when we're going to die and as bill
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black said and this is one of the more
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motivating
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things he's ever said to me he's looked
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me in the face at breakfast one time in
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san francisco california
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it said stan one out of one of us is
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gonna die and then he went back and
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started eating his eggs and it you know
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it wasn't a it was an epiphany at that
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point in time but that is something that
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bill always says
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that one out of one of us is going to
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die do you think covet has has
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forced people to
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start looking at their legacy a little
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bit more because of the fragility of
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life do you think life insurance sales
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will go up in 22 because of that type of
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motivating factor
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well it's certainly something that is
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giving people pause right because of
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this because it's in the news all the
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time it is certainly making us face our
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mortality and the question is if i'm not
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here tomorrow
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what's going to happen to
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you know my
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family circle circumstances etc
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and the thing about it is and one of the
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people that we know
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joe uh he used to you know always say
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tell me the day you're gonna die and
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i'll tell you you know
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you know
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when to buy your life insurance right
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being sarcastic because you don't know
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and and you better have that policy in
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place before you die because you know
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how it is if you've got life insurance
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if you don't have a life insurance
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that's when you're going to die well we
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had a call yesterday
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a client 56 years of age
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passed away
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and he was an attorney and his wife is
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just devastated what happened you'll
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never believe it he broke his ankles
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and ankles like plural
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yeah and
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and then he just he just never came back
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from that he wasn't
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one of these big overweight guys either
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and so it's like
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you just never know when it's going to
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happen and
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you know as we get more crowded on the
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freeways you know you can always get
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in a car accident or anything so it's
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really one of those things where people
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are are really starting to realize this
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with this coveted
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issue
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and saying you know maybe i should look
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at at this and and get this taken care
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of
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but the other thing that happens is what
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if you don't pass away
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but you're in a bad situation and had
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another client
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and and and then it happened this week
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and and it sounds like yeah yeah yeah
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you're just saying this
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bill's got so many clients he's seen it
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all
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numerous times so go ahead
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another client that has been my client
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for many years one of my best clients
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and after all these years you know
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they're getting older
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the mrs slipped and broke her hip okay
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now the older you get you know that's
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not necessarily a mortality factor but
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oh boy it's a disability or a long-term
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care factor
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one of the things
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that has not been good in the past is
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long-term care insurance why is that
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well because it's very difficult to
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price the cost of long-term care you and
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i know whatever you're paying this year
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that's all we're going to pay next year
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the year after the year after you've got
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to pay a whole lot more with traditional
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long-term care that is absolutely the
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case right and and tell me how much more
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you're going to pay next year five years
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from now and you got no idea
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so what happens is these long-term care
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companies are coming to you and saying
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oh yeah i know you started off at this
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rate but this year we're going to raise
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your rates 20 and if you don't like it
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that's okay too you can keep paying the
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same rate
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we'll just lower the benefit we're
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paying you and it's like well wait a
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minute you know
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i want a policy that
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uh
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i can rely on the other issue with
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long-term care is you pay those premiums
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if you never need the long-term care all
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that money was gone
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how do we fix that
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it's very easy
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you take a life insurance policy
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and you add a long-term care benefit
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writer on it
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and that long-term care benefit writer
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will pay you depending on how you
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structure the policy one percent two
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percent or three percent
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of the policies face value
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so take an example of two percent
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it'll pay you two percent of the policy
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survivor benefit
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for 50 months
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now 50 months is a little bit over four
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years
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right 12 months a year four years is 14.
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why did they put it at 50 months bill
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mean you know the answer but tell tell
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the listener so there's two reasons one
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is because most people don't make it in
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long-term care more than three and a
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half years statistically speaking that's
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about where it is
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and the other thing is
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that this two percent you can turn it on
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turn it off you need long-term care for
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example this client broke their hip they
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might need long-term care for six months
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and they don't need it after that you
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can turn it off right so what happens
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let's say you've got a 500 000 policy
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and your long-term care benefit writer
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is going to pay you two percent of that
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a month for 50 months that is going to
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give you 10 000 a month
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for long-term care in this example
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you might say well gee i don't need ten
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thousand that's fine that's the most you
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can get you can take anything less than
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that for your long-term care needs
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then what happens
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is whatever they've paid you out in
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long-term care
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comes to you tax-free because long-term
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care benefits are not taxable and then
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that also reduces the survivors benefit
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so if you have a half a million dollar
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policy you took a hundred thousand
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long-term care benefits and passed away
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then the balance or 400 000 in this
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example would go as life insurance to
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your survivor and that survivor's
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benefit the life insurance benefit is
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income tax free to the beneficiary so
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this is the way to solve the long-term
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care problems you buy the policy that
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doesn't have an increase in premiums
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doesn't have a decrease in the long-term
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care benefits you're covering two needs
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with one
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policy
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that's the best way to get
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your long-term care needs done and the
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life insurance at the same time
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and in the industry it's called asset
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based coverage meaning that your money's
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not just going down the rabbit hole okay
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and that's that's one of the big things
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about traditional
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long-term care most people think well
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you know i'm not going to do that
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because i'm just going to pay money pay
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money pay money and then if i never use
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it money goes poof what bill is talking
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about
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is controlling the asset and getting
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long-term care
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right
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yep and then you get away from some of
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these long-term care companies are going
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to raise rates lower the benefits or
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what else happens is some of these
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companies have sold their block of
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business
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so you bought a long-term care policy in
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the past with company a and company a
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decides they don't want to be in the
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business anymore they take those
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long-term care policies what we call
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that block of business and sell it to
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company b
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well now you're with company b you
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didn't negotiate for that you didn't
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expect that what's the financial
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condition of company b i mean you get
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into all sorts of other
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concerns it's it's called novation that
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you know you're all of a sudden you're
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you're here but now you're there
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and of and and you didn't have anything
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to say about it because the company just
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sold
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your policy and and if it's a
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not a well-rated carrier
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now maybe your long-term care policy
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is in some form of jeopardy if it's if
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that company's not financially sound so
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there's a lot of issues to be concerned
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about and to be wary of
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now just a reminder who that is we're
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talking to us bill black arguably the
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number one mind in the life insurance
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industry he's one of the top agents
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every single year
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nationally i've been doing this for
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decades and when i say decades i think
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he's on number four
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18:26
which is the reason that we get along
18:28
and the reason that i have 100
18:30
confidence in any of my listeners or any
18:32
of my clients calling bill because i
18:34
know he's going to take care of them and
18:37
do the right thing from a fiduciary
18:39
standpoint getting back to covid um
18:42
so you don't think there's going to be
18:43
any life expectancy
18:45
table changes
18:47
because of what's happened
18:50
do you not particularly no
18:52
okay and that's interesting because i've
18:54
heard i've heard otherwise from other
18:56
people
18:57
but what you're saying is
18:58
the pricing that's in place is is is
19:01
dynamic and strong and they're just
19:03
going to absorb this
19:05
i hate to call it a hiccup because that
19:07
sounds like i don't care i do care but
19:09
i'm looking at it from a business
19:10
standpoint so you're saying they're
19:12
going to absorb it
19:13
it is what it is do you think do you
19:14
think life insurance companies will
19:16
improve and get better and look at this
19:18
coveted situation
19:20
and possibly prepare down the road for
19:22
something like this in the future
19:24
i think so i i think this this has
19:27
actually had a bigger impact on uh the
19:29
casualty companies for example the
19:32
lockdown etc
19:33
when some states you couldn't go to work
19:36
you had business business interruption
19:38
insurance
19:39
i can't go to work so there's a
19:41
disability type of a policy or business
19:43
interruption policy that you file claims
19:45
on but one thing you know i want to
19:47
bring up here and change the topic just
19:49
a little bit sure
19:51
you
19:52
uh and i did a podcast in the recent
19:54
past
19:55
a client
19:56
of yours called me
19:58
and one of the things we were doing was
20:00
talking about what is called last to die
20:04
insurance
20:05
now this is a type of a policy that
20:07
covers both
20:09
husband and wife in most instances why
20:12
would you have a policy that covers both
20:14
the husband and the wife
20:16
well typically those type of policies
20:18
are used to pay what is known as the
20:20
e-state tax when we pass away anything
20:23
that is in our taxable estate may or may
20:25
not be subject to
20:27
taxation the other thing was their
20:30
assets weren't that liquid and they
20:32
wanted a joint survivor policy so then
20:35
when the first one passed away the
20:37
survivors still had control of the
20:39
assets and could
20:40
maintain their lifestyle but when both
20:43
of them passed away they wanted to make
20:44
sure there was liquidity
20:46
to spread among their surviving children
20:49
and a lot of times as you and i have
20:51
seen in the past a client might have a
20:53
business and say i'm going to leave that
20:55
to my son and daughter or my two sons or
20:57
whatever the case may be and one child
21:00
is running the business and one is
21:02
married in another state
21:04
well that doesn't work because you've
21:06
got one son or one one child doing all
21:09
the work for half the pay right i mean
21:11
and they start to resent the sure
21:13
yeah so
21:14
and and this is you know prescient where
21:16
they're going to you know split the the
21:18
life insurance policy cash up between
21:20
the children
21:22
but the the um
21:24
couple called me and they said
21:27
i'm looking at this
21:28
is this premium guaranteed
21:31
and it was with the aaa rated company
21:33
very you know well-rated and today you
21:35
have to get what's called a compliance
21:37
illustration that's about 27 pages long
21:40
with full disclosure and it shows in
21:42
that that it's fully guaranteed this is
21:45
a premium you pay and it guarantees the
21:47
survivors benefit until 120 years of age
21:49
i don't want to live to 120 with this
21:51
policy guaranteed to 120
21:54
and not only is a premium guaranteed but
21:56
that amount of survivors benefit is
21:58
guaranteed
21:59
and she said well you know the last
22:01
person that came here
22:03
i was looking at this and they had this
22:05
one column that said current and another
22:07
column that said guarantee and the
22:09
guarantees went away after like 10 years
22:11
and i said yeah exactly that's why we
22:14
don't market that and i said well to the
22:17
person that this other person that have
22:19
brought it
22:20
what is this where it goes to zero oh
22:22
well the insurance company's going to
22:23
pay the claim
22:24
so why isn't it guaranteed oh well don't
22:26
worry about that uh oh oops what is
22:29
happening today
22:32
going back to zero interest rate that is
22:34
called a current assumption policy
22:36
as long as the illustrated interest rate
22:38
stays in effect
22:41
the policy will you know
22:43
hold up well what has happened is not
22:46
only have interest rates gone down but
22:48
some of those older policies have
22:49
interest rate guarantees in them that
22:51
are three percent maybe four percent and
22:54
the company's not able to earn that how
22:56
do they make up the difference several
22:58
insurance companies increased what is
23:00
known as the mortality charge and so not
23:03
to get too deep into the woods but you
23:05
pay a premium the insurance company
23:07
takes away the cost of the insurance
23:09
they credit you the difference of or
23:11
they credit you interest on the
23:12
difference and then that goes into your
23:14
policy value well if they can't
23:16
guarantee or give you the guaranteed
23:18
interest rate they increase the cost of
23:20
the insurance so what does that mean the
23:21
policy starts to cannibalize itself and
23:24
a lot of people are getting calls
23:27
from the insurance company that says oh
23:28
i know you were paying x in premiums but
23:31
now we need 30 percent more 40 percent
23:34
more maybe a hundred percent more maybe
23:36
you need to pay us twice what you're
23:38
paying and oh yeah because you get older
23:40
every year
23:41
you get one year closer to the end of
23:42
the line your premiums going to be going
23:44
up every year nobody is understanding
23:47
this because they thought when they
23:48
bought that policy
23:50
that that was a premium i mean what do
23:52
you mean you can charge me more there
23:54
are a lot of those out there so the
23:56
other thing that's really important
23:59
is to have your policy
24:01
reviewed and give it a health check and
24:04
and the thing you used to always say
24:06
you're not using the same cell phone you
24:07
were using 10 years ago why do you think
24:09
that life insurance or annuity policy
24:11
you bought 10 years ago was still up to
24:12
date right with technology changes in
24:15
your telephone for lack of a better word
24:17
there are technology changes in life
24:19
insurance and annuities with reduced
24:21
interest rate increased mortality
24:23
charges companies getting out of the
24:24
business ratings of companies
24:26
that you used to think and used to be
24:28
good companies their ratings now perhaps
24:30
are not so stellar
24:32
it's time to open that drawer dust those
24:35
things off and get a review and you know
24:37
how it is we we're brokers we can
24:39
represent any company in the country
24:41
sure we do us a significant analysis of
24:45
those policies and let the numbers do
24:47
the talking if that premium is good and
24:49
and you can't get something for less
24:51
for the same coverage or for what you're
24:53
paying get more coverage there's no
24:55
reason to change and you're going to
24:56
tell them that let me interject real
24:58
quick here
24:59
you're going to tell them that and
25:00
you're going to be honest and you're
25:02
just not going to take the policy and
25:03
try to flip it right churn it you're
25:05
going to from a fiduciary standpoint
25:07
tell them the truth there's no charge
25:09
for this
25:10
you're talking about getting 40 plus
25:12
years of experience to look at your
25:14
policy
25:15
my question to everyone listening is why
25:17
wouldn't you do that right why wouldn't
25:20
you do that bill's got a a big staff
25:22
he's got professionals that support him
25:25
and that they can do the analysis bill's
25:27
gonna gonna look at it every single one
25:29
that comes across his desk
25:31
i'm just telling you if you have a life
25:33
insurance policy and you've lost touch
25:35
with the agent or you just don't think
25:36
the agent
25:38
is as up to speed as bill is which they
25:40
are not
25:41
um
25:42
i would just encourage you to do that
25:44
have him take a look at it i think
25:45
that's one of the best things that he
25:47
does is gives that
25:48
second opinion
25:50
on something that is very very important
25:53
and like he said things
25:54
change and um i think that with the
25:57
clients that called you i think you're
25:59
in the process of helping them out or at
26:01
least explain you explain to them what
26:04
they own which is oh yeah
26:06
yeah
26:08
yes and so this is the thing that you
26:10
want to be able to do
26:12
is to move to higher ground if you have
26:14
one of those policies before you become
26:15
uninsurable and all of this at one point
26:18
in time will become uninsurable right
26:20
you might be the picture of health today
26:23
but one day
26:24
we're just uninsurable and so this is
26:26
this is something to really be concerned
26:28
about
26:29
as men
26:30
uh you know one day we might our
26:32
prostate cancer might show up or
26:35
something else and this is something we
26:37
want to get done before that unfortunate
26:40
day arrives
26:41
that's that motivational side of your
26:43
bill that i love you know one other one
26:45
of us is going to die prostate cancer
26:47
you know things like that that's like
26:48
hey that's life insurance speak that's
26:50
that's table talk for those guys um
26:53
i wanted to ask you about and maybe you
26:55
could cover
26:57
what's called irrevocable life insurance
26:59
trust and the business is islets ilit
27:02
irrevocable
27:04
life insurance trust can you explain to
27:07
the listeners and viewers
27:09
what that is
27:11
where that applies and maybe if it makes
27:13
sense for people to take a look at and
27:14
get a quote yeah
27:16
so what happens is
27:18
an irrevocable life insurance trust or
27:22
eyelid as you
27:23
you know say the acronym is exactly what
27:25
that is
27:26
is to many people kind of scary it's
27:29
irrevocable once i create this i can't
27:31
get anything back well that's the whole
27:34
idea
27:35
so because you can't get it back so to
27:38
speak you really don't want this
27:41
trust in most cases to own anything
27:44
other than a life insurance policy now
27:47
why do you want an insurance trust to
27:49
own a life insurance policy
27:51
well because anything you own
27:54
or control
27:56
is included in your taxable estate
27:59
so to make life simple if we have a net
28:02
worth of zero just to make it simple
28:05
except we own a life insurance policy on
28:07
our life
28:08
for a million dollars when we pass away
28:11
our taxable estate is worth one million
28:13
dollars so whatever the value of that
28:16
life insurance policy that you own it
28:18
increases your taxable estate by that
28:20
much which could make you have to pay an
28:23
estate tax
28:25
well
28:26
what people will do is they will have
28:28
this life insurance policy owned by a
28:31
trust when you die you don't own the
28:33
policy the trust does so that policy is
28:36
now not included in your taxable estate
28:39
and so let's say that the beneficiary
28:41
that you have
28:43
is two children right now they could own
28:46
that policy themselves
28:48
and
28:50
that would be out of your estate but a
28:52
lot of times we'll have a client say
28:55
well you know what it's not my two
28:57
children that i'm worried about it's who
28:58
they married because when that policy
29:00
pays out to them i'm i'm worried about
29:02
their spouse getting their hands on that
29:04
money and anticipating it so the life
29:06
insurance policy held by the trust when
29:09
the when the insured passes those
29:12
proceeds pay to the trust then the trust
29:15
has to dole out the money according to
29:17
the terms of the trust and so that's a
29:19
layer of protection
29:22
uh to make sure in in certain instances
29:24
that that money doesn't get
29:26
lack of a better word wasted dissipated
29:28
etc so that's one reason to have an
29:31
insurance trust the other reason is what
29:33
happens when you have multiple
29:35
beneficiaries if you've got four five
29:38
six seven beneficiaries children
29:40
grandchildren a combination thereof
29:43
it then becomes kind of cumbersome to
29:45
have a policy owned uh by one person and
29:49
and and which is not the insured and
29:53
then have seven beneficiaries because if
29:55
if i've got a policy on my life
29:58
and i name somebody else's the
30:00
beneficiary that's not my spouse
30:02
it could possibly be subject to a gift
30:05
tax
30:06
and and that's another reason to have
30:08
the policy on buying insurance trust now
30:10
that's a whole different
30:12
issue and sometimes it will be and
30:14
sometimes it won't be so it's not in all
30:16
cases
30:17
but what happens is you've got one
30:18
person that's insured and you've got a
30:20
couple of children a couple of
30:21
grandchildren
30:22
and maybe you write it so that you're
30:24
going to cover grandchildren that you
30:25
don't even know about because they
30:27
haven't been born yet right
30:29
so you could leave something let's make
30:31
life simple and say you've got a son and
30:32
a daughter and you leave it to your son
30:34
and your daughter 50 50 per stir piece
30:38
well what does that mean the 50 when you
30:40
pass away goes to your son the other 50
30:42
percent goes to your daughter if one of
30:44
them pre-deceases you
30:46
if it goes per sturbies it still goes
30:48
let's say in this example the sun passed
30:50
away it goes to his family
30:53
her stir piece or by stripes which means
30:55
it goes to
30:56
his family equally so you might have a
30:59
son he might have a son a daughter a
31:01
wife right so they wouldn't share in
31:03
that or it would go per capita which
31:06
means if the sun passes away first then
31:08
all of it goes to the daughter this is
31:10
all addressed in the trust so
31:14
these are the reasons to have a trust
31:16
owned that policy keep it out of your
31:17
taxable estate less cumbersome how those
31:20
funds are dispersed etc so what you've
31:23
got to be careful of
31:25
is how much your your premium is because
31:28
you have certain gifting
31:30
limitations and so the gifting limits
31:33
are a function of how many beneficiaries
31:35
they are there are etc so most of the
31:38
time that's not uh
31:41
a problem but it's still something that
31:43
has to be
31:44
considered and and
31:46
thought out so that's why you would have
31:48
a trust on the policy and i'm smiling as
31:51
you're talking because i know people are
31:53
saying wait a minute
31:55
i didn't know life insurance could be
31:57
this comp not well just complex or
31:59
customizable is i guess a better word
32:02
so you know what i would encourage you
32:03
to do is approach bill and i with a
32:06
specific situation
32:08
and let us work on it we've done things
32:09
in the past where a person wanted to
32:12
you know buy a
32:13
life insurance policy but didn't want to
32:15
worry about the premium so what you do
32:16
is you buy an immediate annuity we can
32:18
shop all carriers for that to fund the
32:21
life insurance policy or we can set it
32:23
up joint life with a spouse so it funds
32:25
the life insurance policy
32:27
and the spouse is the the beneficiary of
32:29
the life insurance policy
32:31
but if it's joint life on the immediate
32:32
annuity the income continues for the
32:34
wife and she gets the lump sum
32:37
i'm throwing out just a couple of ideas
32:40
that we can
32:42
we can do and all this is contractually
32:44
guaranteed and all of this is
32:46
customizable to fit the specific goals
32:49
for your
32:50
specific situation there's not a one
32:53
size fits all and we don't look at any
32:55
of this as one size fits all it's about
32:57
what you are trying to achieve in a lot
33:00
of cases
33:01
you work very hard you've scrimped
33:04
you've saved you've checked the boxes
33:05
you've planned
33:07
but at the end of your chapter two of
33:09
your life
33:10
there's one more layer of planning in
33:12
order to pass the money on and all this
33:14
hard work the way that you want it to be
33:17
passed on
33:19
can you add to that bill
33:20
yes the other thing that
33:23
some people use life insurance is as an
33:26
asset class
33:28
so you'll look at a person's net worth
33:31
and they might be worth millions of
33:32
dollars
33:34
okay but it's not in liquid investments
33:36
and so when the spouse passes away the
33:39
rainmaker a lot of times the spouse
33:40
can't generate the same income sure i've
33:42
had clients tell me look i'm worth 10 15
33:45
20 30 million dollars whatever that
33:46
number is
33:48
i don't need life insurance fine tell me
33:50
where your assets are the value of their
33:52
business the real estate their business
33:54
sits on their vacation home
33:56
their artwork their jewelry their house
33:58
all of these assets call for cash every
34:00
month you've got to make the mortgage
34:02
payment the property taxes etc
34:04
life insurance is liquidity
34:06
and so okay but you know what i can
34:08
invest the money and do better than the
34:10
life insurance i could share with you uh
34:13
an analysis i did for a client
34:16
put it up on the screen if you wanted me
34:18
to but you do on these analysis on these
34:22
an irr which stands for internal rate of
34:25
return
34:26
and whatever the premium stream is
34:29
you can calculate in any particular year
34:32
how much money you would have to earn
34:34
after taxes say that again
34:38
taxes taxes to beat the life insurance
34:42
right and a lot of times it at life
34:44
expectancy
34:46
the irr on these policies is four five
34:49
percent
34:50
which means let's say that you've got a
34:52
30-year life expectancy you're going to
34:55
earn four percent or five percent every
34:57
year after taxes if you're in a state
34:59
like california you've got to earn 10 a
35:02
year on your money every year for the
35:04
next 30 years now if you can do that
35:06
you're probably in the wrong business
35:08
you should probably be running a hedge
35:09
fund taking 2 and 20 right and so
35:12
like i always say you know tell me the
35:15
day you're going to die i'll tell you
35:16
exactly the rate of return you've got to
35:17
make on those premiums to beat the life
35:20
insurance and so there's a whole thing
35:22
about looking at life insurance as a
35:24
separate asset
35:26
and looking at that as a rate of return
35:28
because if i if i show you an
35:30
illustration
35:32
where the life expectancy is four
35:34
percent after taxes uh
35:36
you know
35:37
um
35:39
it's kind of hard to say you know what
35:42
that's not a good deal because if i
35:43
could guarantee you four percent a year
35:45
for the next 20 years
35:47
you you you wouldn't be able to get to
35:49
everybody after taxes of course and i
35:52
always tell people you know
35:55
life insurance internal rate of returns
35:57
the best internal rate returns you're
35:59
ever gonna you're never gonna see and
36:01
you're never gonna see it because you're
36:02
dead okay so you just have to understand
36:05
going in that
36:06
um life insurance is a good deal but but
36:09
it is i agree with you looking at it as
36:12
a as an asset class i think is unique to
36:15
a lot of people
36:16
um
36:18
but i think life insurance is in the way
36:20
just like annuities uh issued by life
36:23
insurance companies by the way are in
36:25
the way of the demographic tidal wave of
36:27
10 000 plus baby boomers turning age 65
36:30
every single day and when you do that or
36:32
you approach that or you're past that
36:35
you're thinking about lifestyle and
36:37
legacy primarily
36:39
and you know that that comes into the
36:42
annuities for lifestyle and life
36:44
insurance for legacy and life insurance
36:46
does have arguments for for lifestyle as
36:49
well if you use that
36:51
for long-term care etc i really
36:53
appreciate you going through the
36:54
irrevocable life insurance trust because
36:56
i want to put that
36:57
in people's back of their head
37:00
another thing we've covered in a
37:01
previous podcast but i want to go back
37:03
to it because there's a lot of sales
37:05
pitches out there
37:07
with unqualified
37:09
life insurance agents that don't know
37:11
what they're talking about
37:12
and they're talking about
37:14
um
37:15
policies that they say it's tax-free
37:18
income but me and you both know that's a
37:20
loan
37:21
on the policy
37:22
can you explain to people this this
37:25
strategy and sales pitch by the way has
37:27
been around bill has it been around 30
37:29
years they just keep renaming it and we
37:31
don't want to name we're not going to
37:33
name the people out there promoting it
37:34
under a specific name
37:37
but i want you to cover that
37:39
that product
37:41
blow it up factually and then pivot and
37:43
say but this is where it might fit
37:46
yeah so there are times the
37:49
nothing
37:50
is the silver bullet
37:52
there's nothing out there that is always
37:55
the right answer or always or never the
37:58
right answer
37:59
so
38:00
give you an example there are some
38:02
policies out there that have what is
38:03
called high cash value one of the things
38:06
that people don't like about permanent
38:08
insurance is you pay a pretty hefty
38:11
premium
38:12
and you don't have any value for three
38:13
years
38:14
and you know what this is very
38:16
unpalatable
38:18
but these policies are still sold
38:21
where oh look you know eventually you'll
38:24
build up this cash value eventually
38:26
it'll give you tax-free income is it
38:28
tax-free
38:31
yes and no well how can you say yes and
38:33
no
38:34
well because that cash value that you've
38:36
paid in you've paid in with after tax
38:39
dollars
38:40
so you can access part of it by what is
38:43
known as withdrawals to bases
38:45
you take money out of that policy's cash
38:48
value and it's not taxable if it's basis
38:50
because you're getting your own money
38:51
back it's no different that if you buy
38:55
a piece of real estate for ten thousand
38:57
dollars and sell it for ten thousand
38:58
dollars there's no gain if you buy it
39:00
for ten thousand sells for a hundred oh
39:02
yeah there's a ninety thousand dollar
39:04
gain there so in these life insurance
39:06
policies
39:07
let's say that you borrow your basis or
39:09
the money you put in out every time you
39:12
borrow from it or every time you
39:14
withdraw from it your cash value is
39:17
earning less because you've taken money
39:19
out of the policy so it's earning less
39:22
but they are still nicking you for the
39:24
cost of the insurance okay
39:26
and then what happens is if there is
39:29
cash value in excess of your premiums
39:32
you can get that all tax-free they tell
39:34
you
39:35
by borrowing against it
39:37
fair enough and they say the word
39:38
tax-free income it's not
39:41
it's a loan every single loan that you
39:44
get it's a i'm going to say it really
39:46
slow loan
39:49
it's not tax free income period
39:52
it's it it's coming to you without a
39:55
1099
39:56
but they are charging you interest on
39:59
that loan if you don't pay the interest
40:01
out of pocket or in cash as it's called
40:05
how is the loan interest paid they take
40:08
that from your cash value too
40:10
so if they're charging you five percent
40:12
interest and you take out
40:14
you know ten thousand dollars at the end
40:17
of the year you know you've got ten
40:18
thousand five hundred dollar loan
40:19
because of the because of the interest
40:22
now what happens is every year that you
40:25
take out that loan
40:27
your loan balance increases hence the
40:30
amount of interest that they're charging
40:32
you increases and then eventually that
40:35
policy can get what we call in our
40:37
jargon upside down
40:39
that means that you've borrowed more
40:41
than is in the policy
40:43
or you've borrowed so much
40:46
that now the interest that is uh being
40:49
charged on your loan every year is
40:51
finally going to cannibalize your policy
40:54
well okay so what i'll just let the
40:56
policy go uh it's not that easy
40:59
because now when that policy lapses
41:03
there is an
41:04
uh an outstanding loan
41:07
well so hot let it go
41:09
okay that's a forgiven loan that is
41:11
taxable as ordinary income
41:15
that's the problem well
41:18
wait a minute if it's a life insurance
41:19
policy i thought i thought i didn't have
41:20
to pay it the theory is if you pass away
41:24
let's just say that you've got a million
41:26
dollar policy and your loan outstanding
41:28
is six hundred thousand dollars with
41:29
interest and everything they pay you a
41:31
million dollars stan but oh wait a
41:33
minute you owe us 600 so here's the net
41:35
400 000 that's how it works but because
41:38
life insurance is income tax-free
41:41
they're paying that loan back you know
41:43
internally before you get your money
41:45
with the tax-free death proceeds so the
41:47
400 you get is tax-free and that's why
41:50
they tell you it's tax-free income
41:52
but it's tax-free as long as you die on
41:55
time as long as the policy doesn't go
41:57
upside down as long as the policy you
42:00
know earns the rate of return it's
42:02
projected to earn as long as it doesn't
42:04
build it what if it doesn't what if it
42:06
goes upside down now what
42:08
well you're going to either have to pay
42:09
in enough to keep that policy going
42:11
until you pass away or that loan is
42:14
going to become taxable in the year the
42:16
policy lapses
42:19
and that can be a big number and i just
42:21
want to tell listeners and viewers with
42:23
annuities in life insurance if a sales
42:25
pitch comes to you and it sounds too
42:27
good to be true it is every single time
42:30
without exception there are no
42:31
exceptions do not allow
42:34
a life insurance person to pitch a life
42:37
insurance policy as an income
42:40
product it's not
42:42
it you're taking loans out so they can't
42:46
they just can't make that comparison
42:48
well let me let me ask you something
42:51
if you were going to buy an investment
42:53
today
42:54
what's the first thing you look at
42:56
charges costs okay
42:59
do you know when you pay a premium for
43:00
life insurance what i want is the
43:02
protection
43:04
if i pass away i want my beneficiaries
43:07
to get the policy proceeds fair enough
43:09
okay that's why we owe my life insurance
43:11
number two it's liquid
43:13
but you know what i don't want to do i
43:14
don't want to pay more than i have to
43:16
for that i'd like to get a million
43:18
dollar policy and pay one dollar for it
43:21
now i know that's an exaggerated example
43:23
but i don't want to pay 900 000 for it
43:26
because i've got this shiny you know
43:28
thing called cash value on it that's not
43:30
doing me any good you're not building
43:32
cash value in your car insurance or your
43:34
home insurance or your boat so why is
43:36
the life insurance okay so
43:38
where am i going
43:40
with this is when we buy this coverage
43:44
we want to make sure that we're getting
43:46
it for the right price and the lowest
43:49
uh outlay now
43:51
the other things that you're talking
43:53
about is the income etc when you buy
43:55
those high cash value policies there are
43:58
loads that are coming off every premium
44:01
sometimes it's a five percent premium
44:03
load then it's a mortality cost and load
44:06
meaning expense that's what that means
44:08
right right i'm talking in jargon but
44:11
you can have of the the money that
44:13
you're quote quote investing
44:16
you can have five seven nine percent of
44:18
that come off the top
44:20
before it goes into the
44:22
before it goes to work for you
44:25
in fees
44:26
and are you going to buy any other type
44:28
of uh
44:29
investment that is going to have
44:32
7 8 10
44:34
probably not probably not so
44:37
this is this is another thing to be to
44:39
be thinking about it's really what is
44:41
this costing me
44:43
and what is the what is the alternative
44:46
and once again if you have happened to
44:48
fallen for this sales pitch
44:50
have bill look at that policy see if
44:52
there's something better that he can do
44:54
and do a a possible transfer um he'll
44:58
look at all options bill i got a kind of
45:00
a weird question i wanted to ask you
45:02
because everyone's talking about crypto
45:03
but if people understand what crypto is
45:05
it rides on top of what's called
45:07
blockchain technology and blockchain
45:10
technology is a legitimate technology
45:12
um crypto gets all of the um
45:15
publicity but it's just it's riding on
45:17
top of blockchain and blockchain's legit
45:20
what are the applications that you see
45:23
or don't see
45:25
for blockchain in the life insurance
45:27
side
45:29
have you thought about that yeah you
45:31
know not not a lot really i haven't seen
45:34
any in in just me i haven't seen
45:37
anything that has blockchain
45:39
tied with life insurance right now
45:40
they're still looking at us dollars to
45:42
pay the premium
45:44
and
45:45
i haven't seen any any
45:47
type of premium that you can pay with
45:49
crypto well encrypt i'm talking about
45:50
correctly but i'm talking about the
45:52
underlying administration using
45:53
blockchain not not you not talking about
45:55
crypto talking about the administrative
45:57
side of
45:59
of life insurance companies i know some
46:00
are trying to go into that arena have
46:03
you
46:04
heard a lot of whispers about that are
46:06
they just getting started into that
46:08
technology for getting crypto for a
46:10
second yeah they're just getting getting
46:12
started they're using a lot of the you
46:14
know the blockchain is their way now
46:16
that they're going to use it to
46:18
protect
46:19
uh from
46:21
hacking and identity theft etc they
46:23
think that's what they're uh going you
46:26
know every time an insurance company or
46:29
any financial institution
46:32
plugs a hole
46:34
they've got to be right every time all
46:36
these hackers have to do is be right one
46:38
time and we hear stories all the time
46:40
about how people are getting in and
46:42
stealing people's financial information
46:44
from their bank or anything right and so
46:47
i was talking to the head of
46:51
the
46:52
cyber security one time and they said
46:54
you know we think blockchain is going to
46:55
be the answer to solving these issues
46:58
but you've got to be careful when you
46:59
send out an email today that has
47:01
anything in it because
47:03
but by the time it gets from the sender
47:05
to the receiver
47:07
18 people could have looked at it and
47:09
said oh look at all this type of goodies
47:11
in here that's why everything is coming
47:12
secure now where you got to download it
47:14
etc and while it might be a pain in the
47:16
neck it's a lot better than logging on
47:18
one morning and saying where's the money
47:19
in my bank account
47:21
i agree i was riding down the road in
47:23
the stan mobile the other day and i
47:26
heard a radio ad
47:28
about this guy and and i won't mention
47:31
his name because they're doing a good
47:32
job marketing good for them
47:34
um and it says you know this guy has
47:36
diabetes and this you know he's a life
47:38
insurance agent he has diabetes and he's
47:40
overweight but he can get you life
47:42
insurance
47:43
and i'm sure you've heard those ads and
47:44
people have heard those ads and and
47:46
respect to the company underlying that i
47:48
don't know anything about him i just
47:49
heard the ad and i wanted to talk to you
47:50
about it for people out there with
47:53
underlying conditions like that
47:55
what is this company
47:57
pushing people toward and
48:01
what's your opinion on because most
48:03
people look at the stats um a lot of
48:07
people have underlying conditions the
48:08
majority of this country is deemed
48:10
overweight and or let's just call it
48:12
gravitationally challenged as a
48:14
politically correct i made that up
48:16
um
48:17
what are they pushing on this radio ad
48:20
for people with diabetes and overweight
48:22
what are they selling
48:23
so here's the situation the way we look
48:26
at it
48:27
is
48:28
a lot of people think oh i've got this
48:30
particular morbidity or mortality factor
48:33
i'm uninsurable
48:35
and quite frankly
48:37
most of the time these people are not
48:39
uninsurable
48:41
they just have some thought that because
48:43
i've got type 2 diabetes or because i've
48:46
got type 2 and a heart attack or you
48:48
know whatever the
48:50
issue or combination of issues
48:52
is or are they think that they're
48:54
uninsurable as a result of that
48:56
and the fact is that they're probably
48:59
not totally uninsurable not sure there
49:01
are conditions that make us uninsurable
49:04
sure but many people have the belief
49:05
that they are uninsurable and they're
49:06
not
49:07
now they might not be
49:10
insurable at preferred rates
49:12
but they're still insurable okay so
49:15
somebody might be rated which means
49:18
they're priced up a little bit but that
49:20
just means their life expectancy because
49:22
of their mortality issues is shorter
49:25
than someone of their
49:26
age so to give you an example
49:29
if you're a smoker age 50 you've got the
49:32
same life expectancy as a
49:35
non-smoker
49:37
age like
49:39
38 right and so there's there's i mean
49:43
i think i said that wrong if you're if
49:45
you're a non-smoker age fifth anyway you
49:48
know what i'm saying is there's things
49:49
that
49:50
they price it in they they look at the
49:52
smoking right right and so you can say
49:55
the same thing about diabetes heart
49:56
issues etc etc so one of the things that
49:59
we do is we are
50:01
not writing just one company because one
50:03
company can't be all things to all
50:04
people
50:06
and so some people
50:08
use cigars some people use pipes some
50:12
people dip to
50:14
cigarettes how about their face
50:16
vaping is are they starting to price in
50:18
vaping yes oh yes and so
50:21
one of the things that happened is there
50:23
are some companies that if you have
50:24
nicorat
50:26
gum if you have a patch you get a
50:29
tobacco user rate
50:30
other companies you get a non-tobacco
50:33
user rate unless you're smoking
50:35
cigarettes and so it's things like that
50:39
that you've got to know so that you can
50:41
put the client with the right insurance
50:43
company at the right price why would you
50:44
put a person that has a patch
50:47
and and have them tobacco rated when
50:49
another company of equal stature would
50:51
give them a non-tobacco rate so it's
50:53
different things like that some
50:55
companies look at high blood pressure
50:57
and high cholesterol is as
51:00
hold on here or other companies go oh
51:02
it's under control with medication they
51:04
see their doctor every six months
51:05
standard rating
51:07
this is
51:09
this is why you want to be able to shop
51:11
it out to the market so if you think
51:13
about a life insurance application
51:15
what's the difference between company a
51:17
and company b's application quite
51:18
frankly it's the way the questions are
51:20
laid out the logo at the top of the page
51:21
right so we'll have a client fill out
51:24
one application take one exam but they
51:26
sign an authorization that allows us to
51:28
shop with the multiple different
51:29
carriers so we're going to start with
51:30
the one that we think we're going to get
51:32
it issued with
51:33
but for whatever reason if it comes back
51:35
and says we're going to give you this
51:37
offer and we think we're entitled to a
51:38
better offer we've got that sheet that
51:40
allows us to shop it out to these other
51:42
companies
51:43
and we do that for what reason to give
51:45
the client the best rate that's what
51:47
it's all about if that sounds eerily
51:48
familiar that's how we do it as well we
51:50
shop all carriers for the best
51:52
contractual guarantee for your specific
51:54
situation bill does
51:55
the exact same thing bill we've kind of
51:57
run out of time but as i do with all of
51:59
my celebrity guests
52:01
i give them one last mic drop moment
52:05
so you can tell the people just this
52:07
really neat thing to remember on the way
52:10
out
52:11
as they listen to the final part of this
52:13
podcast so what is that mic drop moment
52:16
comment bill well that one mic drop
52:18
moment is one uh
52:20
policy that was purchased many years ago
52:23
doesn't mean that it's still
52:25
in the you know same situation that you
52:27
thought it was back then things change
52:29
interest rates change mortality changes
52:31
companies ratings change
52:34
it's it's just for peace of mind get a
52:36
health check and a review on that policy
52:38
the numbers will speak for themselves
52:41
if you've got a cpa we're always happy
52:43
to review our findings with you and the
52:44
cpa but really the numbers do the
52:47
talking two and two is going to be four
52:49
it's never going to be six
52:50
and so it's it's just one of those
52:52
things where you look at it and you say
52:54
you know what we're doing great here
52:57
i can't improve it stay with what you've
52:59
got somebody did a good job for you
53:01
or conversely it might be wait a minute
53:04
there's there's there's a better way to
53:06
do this and
53:08
and a lot of times uh
53:11
you know you'll be glad you did because
53:12
of the fact that
53:15
it just gets it
53:17
it's just an improvement you're just
53:18
like you're starting your mortgage yeah
53:20
you're maximizing the situation using
53:22
the the number one in my opinion the
53:25
number one life insurance expert in the
53:28
united states
53:30
bill black thank you so much for joining
53:32
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53:34
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53:35
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