051 Questions to ask your advisor about annuities

IN THIS EPISODE, THE ANNUITY MAN DISCUSS:
- The top questions to ask your advisor about annuities.
- Knowing which questions are deal-breakers from the beginning for advising you about annuities.
- The nuances and varieties of annuities.
- The reasons to ask these questions for your best contractual guarantees.
KEY TAKEAWAYS:
- All lifetime income streams are life expectancy-based, interest rates play a secondary role.
- If your advisor only represents a handful of carriers, they are not qualified to sell annuities. Annuities are a commodity product you quote all carriers for the highest contractual guarantee for your situation.
- Don’t allow your advisor to just say “trust me this is a good one.” You want to know what it is you own, don’t just take someone’s word for it.
"Hold their feet to the fire. This is your money. This is serious. With annuities, once you sign that paperwork and once that policy has been issued, you better know what the heck you own. So don’t just trust or take someone’s word for it." — Stan The Annuity Man
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welcome to
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stan
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the annuity man america's annuity agent
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welcome to fun with annuities the number
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your host stan the annuity man america's
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put on your air bask whatever you got to
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do because here we go
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it's the top questions to ask your
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advisors about annuities
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if you have an advisor master of the
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universe wealth
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architect whatever you want to call them
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and you just
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love this person or they're your
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brother-in-law whoever and you you want
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to deal with them for whatever reason
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unknown to me that you don't want to
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deal with standing annuity man america's
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annuity agent i mean brutally factual
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walking middle finger of annuity truth
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if you don't want to work with me these
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are the questions you ask
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that person now welcome to everybody out
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could join us once again if you're
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i welcome all of you and i do encourage
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you go to my site the annuityman.com
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man and that has
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and and we still add them every month
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uh videos on annuities you know when you
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ask a question i'll just answer them
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it's typically a five to eight minute
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video
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so please go there but let's get to the
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topic today
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this is a good one man i'm telling you
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i'm looking forward to this
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so you go into let's just i and this by
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the way
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all of these podcasts a lot of them come
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from people calling me i mean i have
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thousands of thousands of
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thousands of clients in all 50 states i
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want you to be one but some of the calls
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i get are
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just gyms when they go in and talk to
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their advisor
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about annuities because they might have
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seen a video that i've done or read an
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article
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read my books and say well that kind of
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makes sense i might need some lifetime
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income or principal protection
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and all they've heard is you know the
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the mantra i hate all annuities which is
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crazy
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everybody listening to this podcast in
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the united states that has a social
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security number is
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already an annuity owner stop the car
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wreck the car pull the car
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over do it go to waffle house order some
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hash browns
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do whatever you got to do to get through
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it but you uh you
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already own an annuity hello
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it's called social security it's the
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best inflation annuity on the planet
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well that's not an annuity
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what is social security it's a lifetime
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income stream that you can never outlive
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sounds familiar and it has an inflation
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increase on it's the best inflation
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annuity on the planet because
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our beloved politicians who love to
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print money just give it away for votes
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they just increase stuff they just give
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it away so that's the best inflation
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nudity on the planet
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and it's based on your life expectancy
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at the time of the payment everything i
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just described to you is an annuity
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it's life expectancy based it's the
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older you are the higher the payment
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you know is it let me ask you a very
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simple social security question
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it are the payments higher when you're
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70 then compared to 65.
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well they're hard 70. of course why
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because uh because i'm projected to live
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less
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bingo good answer it's life
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expectancy-based
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all lifetime income streams of products
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annuity products are life expectancy
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based interest rates play a secondary
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role interest rates players secondary
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role
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interest rates play your secondary roll
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i say that because people always say i'm
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going to work through interest rates
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yeah good luck with that you're not
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going to beat the init and the annuity
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company
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they know when we're gonna die they have
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the big buildings for a reason okay
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but let's get to the questions so you
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walk into the wealth architect
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master of the universe stop broker uh
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all things great
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bull market maven person and you bring
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the word up annuity
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they're probably going to vomit okay
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look
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here's the question there here's the
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first question do you hate all annuities
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and if they say yes
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then refer them back to my initial
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statement about social security
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right social security is annuity so then
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you say to them so you hate social
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security
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all right and then the next one is oh so
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you hate cds
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because there's a multi-year guarantee
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annuity which is the annuity industry
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version of a cd
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so at that point in time you know for a
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fact that they don't know anything about
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annuities you should never buy an
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annuity from them and you should go to
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the annuityman.com and schedule call
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with me standing the annuity made
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america's annuity agent
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so that's the first question the second
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question you ask them to
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this is the this is what you do when
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you're just feeling them out to see if
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they disqualify themselves
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from the start okay the second question
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is
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do you think mr master of the universe
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that annuities
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should and could and can be used inside
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of an ira
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and if they say we'll never ever ever
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put in the
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thought of none right then they've
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disqualified themselves from further
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discussion about anything's
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anything annuity because they have no
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clue what they're talking about
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they might be smart their white their
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wife might be a nice person it makes a
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really nice peach cobbler
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they might have gone to yale and half of
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it in mit and stanford and girl
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and gotten all these great great uh
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degrees
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and mbas but they have absolutely no
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clue
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when it comes to annuities and what you
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really should say at that point in time
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is
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you know what i'm going to do you a
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favor and i'm going to order you stand
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the annuity men's
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six annuity owner's manual so you will
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understand what you're talking about
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and not make a buffoon out of yourself
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so if they say
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well never you put an annuity all right
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then then remind them that the irs
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and the department of the treasury in
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2014 developed a product called the
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qualified longevity annuity contract
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that's specifically used in iras
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i mean if they say those things
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i they they're not qualified to talk
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about annuities you should never ever
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talk to them again about a new just say
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listen
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manage my other assets stand the annuity
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man's gonna handle the annuities you
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guys can talk and
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and do whatever you got to do but i
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can't deal with you
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on i mean that's that's crazy
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okay if they say that so but if they
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pass those two sniff tests
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if they say well i really don't hate it
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all annuities okay great they go
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should annuities be used on well maybe
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kind of okay they passed it
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okay they passed it then then you start
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getting it
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then the next question is this how many
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carriers specific carriers do you
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represent
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and offer and quote how many
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by the way if it's like five or six or
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ten
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they are not qualified to sell you an
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annuity why
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because annuities of all types by the
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way there's many types
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multi-year guarantee annuities single
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premium immediate annuities
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deferred income annuities qualified
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longevity annuity contracts
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fixed index annuities variable new
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there's all kinds there i mean there's
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all kinds
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but if they're only quoting you know
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five or ten
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okay and if one of the big firms that
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the name firm's not going to name them
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that's what they do they they typically
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have five or six firms they quote
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that's like going to a restaurant and
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there's five things on the menu
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that's like going to the grocery store
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and there's five things on the aisle
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that's like going to a orbitz or
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priceline and buying a play ticket
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there's only two carriers there's only
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two planes
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i mean annuities are commodity products
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you quote all carriers for the highest
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contractual guarantee for your specific
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situation
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by answering the two questions what do
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you want the money to contractually do
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and when you want those contractual
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guarantees to start
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with the understanding that annuity
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quotes are like a gallon of milk and
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they change every seven to ten days
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so if you're going to shop and you
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here's the other thing too you own an
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annuity for what it will do not what it
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might do
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period so maybe a follow-up question to
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that is
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do you think mr mr advisor that
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annuities
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should be used for market growth for
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stock market growth
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if they say yes to that in any form or
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fashion
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they are not qualified to handle your
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annuity transactions
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because annuities should never ever ever
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ever ever ever
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ever ever be used for market growth
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period end of story especially indexed
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annuities those are cd products
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so if they talk about margaret o'fargo
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no don't vote then they are disqualified
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from ever talking about annuities with
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you
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variable annuities have their place you
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know they were put on the planet 1955
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for tax deferred growth
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okay by tiaa a long time ago but they
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still have limitations on your choices
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the mutual funds separate accounts
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whatever you want to call them there's
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limitations on what those are
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in my opinion having worked for you know
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dean witter payne weber morgan stanley
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and ubs
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when it comes to market growth you don't
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need limitations you need to rock and
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roll and make as much money as human
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possible
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so if they answer the question well well
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someone who isn't good for market growth
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they have disqualified themselves period
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so
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yeah you ask how many carriers it better
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be at least
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20 to 30 minimum that they need
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they need to represent minimum
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okay if they say five this that's crazy
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that's like saying
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listen don't know if they say five you
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look them in the face and go you know
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what
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um just just some advice never open a
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restaurant
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because you're gonna have five things on
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the menu and you will not make it
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okay um and a lot of times with your
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advisors if they're working for a big
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firm
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the firms make these annuity companies
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pay to get on the shelf it's kind of
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like when you walk through the grocery
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store
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and some of the potato chips are eye
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level and then some of the potato chips
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you've never heard of or at your feet
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like bill and jack's potato chips from
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austin texas
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they're at your feet and then lays
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potato chips at your eye
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right right at your eye level there's a
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reason for that they paid for that so a
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lot of these big farms big
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wire house firms that i used to work for
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so i know what i'm talking about
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they had carries had to pay to get in
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there's a shelf space
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that they they have to get in there and
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that means that they don't have
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access to all carriers okay so that's
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i mean if it's five to ten it's just
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it's not enough
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it's not enough for you to get the
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highest contractual guarantee and
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especially if someone's captive they
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only represent one carrier
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give me a break that's like having a a
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store that only sells scotch tape
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come on that's crazy uh you know you
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scott's tape is nothing wrong with
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scotch table of scotch tape but you
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don't open a store just selling scotch
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tape
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you don't just sell one carrier i
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understand the captive agents out there
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that are yelling at the screen going
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shut up shut up
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it's a fact you know it's a fact nod
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your head quietly in your car
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as you drive down the road that that's
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true so that
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uh let's talk about some other questions
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just some
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how many pr here's a good one how many
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product types do you offer
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and if they answered the question to
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that question which is
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what do you mean by product types
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they've disqualified themselves
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they cannot think of annuity the word
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annuity as
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as a all-encompassing category it's not
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it's like when people say then i had all
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annuities i'm like which one
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which one do you just hate them all and
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i hate them all
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name them name all of them name all the
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types
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chester name all the types of annuities
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that you hate
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well i just i just know i hate them i
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just know
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that they're all expensive and have high
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fees which is garbage because the vast
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majority have
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no fees and they're not expensive and
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the commissions are very very low
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so you know if they say if they say that
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like if they don't know the product
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types
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then say do you sell my gas do you sell
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spears do you sell diaz do you sell q
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locks
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do you sell variable annuities do you
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sell index which ones do you sell
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and if they're struggling with that okay
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i mean if you ask me that question i'm
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saying listen i sell multi-year
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guarantee annuities i still sing a
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premium immediate annuities
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i sell deferred income annuities i sell
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qualified longevity annuity contracts i
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sell index news with income riders
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i don't look at the index annuity
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accumulation value i only sell them with
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attached income riders
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and i don't sell variable annuities
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because i don't sell anything that goes
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down
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period that's i mean that's my answer
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they have to have a similar
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very quick answer to what types they
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sell and how they fit
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they have to have a strategy for how
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they look at them now for me
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you know we're filming this in the in
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the in recording this and the will do
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not might do studio will do means
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you own an annuity for what it will do
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not what it might do you don't own it
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or make a decision to buy one based on
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the hypothetical theoretical back-tested
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projected
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hopeful unicorn chasing the butterfly
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numbers
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out there you never ever ever do that
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you buy it for the contractual guarantee
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because guess what
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you're going to get a contract in the
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mail it's called a policy but it's a
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contract
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and there's never urgency to buy a
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contract the urgency is to understand
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what's in the contract
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so you need to unders they need to
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understand that you understand
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okay and you know do i get some hate
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mail from these guys
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yes i do and that's okay you know it's
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okay because i understand that they
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you know they are um you know i'm a
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threat to them
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the truth sometimes is a threat um the
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other thing and the other thing you're
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gonna find out when you go to your um
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master of the universe architect wealth
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architect whatever they want to call
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themselves back in the day when i first
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started
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by the way we were called stock brokers
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i don't think they do that anymore but
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but uh you know it is what it is um
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also ask them you know from the
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standpoint of
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um how the administrative part works how
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the paperwork part works
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how do do you know like with us when you
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go come with us
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um i have a team of people that are all
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employees of mine that handle the
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paperwork from start to finish that
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handled administrator from start to
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finish
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we get in the weeds for you so you don't
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have to we we get in the mud for you
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because you don't have to
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um you know ask them those specific
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questions
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about how the process works um
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ask them if they sell if they if they
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look at hypothetical or back-tested
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numbers
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you know ask them if if if they sell it
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here's one
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ask them this if they sell enough of it
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and you can ask me your agent if you
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have an a brother-in-law as an agent
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they sell enough of it why are you
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pushing this one product if you sell
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enough of it
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are you gonna go on a trip to bora bora
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or italy or spain or
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canada if you sold enough of it
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what's that what's the soft money
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arrangements if you sell enough of it
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i mean ask them those things
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i mean it's important those are the
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things you ask
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um another thing that i always tell
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people with
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annuities the only protection you have
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and i don't blame the carriers because
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the carriers put out the products okay
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and
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and but they can't monitor what the
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agents are saying out there
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they just can't they don't know what
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they're saying they listen
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here's the ugly secret and the evil
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secret about the annuity industry
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if the annuity carriers could get could
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figure out how to get rid of the agents
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and just sell it direct they would now
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i'm as close to that model as anyone
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i i'm consumer direct 100 consumer
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direct never meet with anyone face to
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face i don't care if you're my next door
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neighbor i'd fedex you the paperwork
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never meet with anyone face to face
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consumer direct very technology driven
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we're as close as you can get to it but
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current law
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states that um an agent license agent
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has to be
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in part of the process from a
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suitability and appropriate
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appropriateness standpoint once the
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industry figures that out
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then you'll be able to and and doesn't
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care or figures out the liability and
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the exposure
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then they will sell it direct and agents
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will be out of the business and if you
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don't believe me
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i've got uh i've got an example for you
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travel agents
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travel agents travel agents are no
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longer there are some boutique travel
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agencies fine
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there's some corporate travel agencies
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fine but there's no travel agencies
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i mean it's kind of like there's no more
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stock brokers right um
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the other thing and this is a big one oh
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my gosh this is a big one
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when i was at morgan stanley and ubs
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that was kind of the period that they
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wanted all of the advisors to
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do what's called a wrap fee they wanted
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all the assets getting a percentage
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in other words they say you we're not
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going to charge a commission but we're
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going to charge a fee an annual fee
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um to manage your assets and it wasn't
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for the good of the clients
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period in my is my opinion it was so
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that they can project
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they the the brokerage firms wirehouse
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firms could project future revenue
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period and so they structured everything
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so that everything's wrapped
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one of the reasons that agents not
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agents but advisors and people like that
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don't like annuities is they can't wrap
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them they can't charge an annual fee
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on them like an immediate annuity or
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qual qualified longevity annuity
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contract deferred incoming new if they
17:34
do then it's criminal
17:36
i'll tell you a great story guy calls me
17:37
the other day and says
17:39
i've got an indexed annuity with my
17:42
wealth advisor guy
17:43
at xxx farm whatever and he's charging
17:46
me an annual fee to manage my index
17:48
annuity
17:49
this could be the dumbest
17:52
thing ever and the fact that this is
17:55
happening
17:56
blows my mind it literally i cannot
17:59
imagine
18:00
the justification and i've talked to
18:03
some big
18:04
big wigs at the firms and said please
18:06
please
18:07
for god's sakes explain to me
18:10
how you justify an annual rap fee
18:14
on an indexed annuity why is that crazy
18:16
because with an indexed annuity
18:18
you can only change the index option
18:21
allocation
18:22
one time per year
18:26
it's a fixed annuity you're not losing
18:28
money because it's fixed
18:29
and you have a call option strategy at
18:31
the time of this taping there's over 700
18:34
different call options strategies i
18:35
guess that's their justification but
18:37
that's garbage in french
18:39
because you're telling me you're this
18:41
guy was like
18:42
and i told this guy i said so they're
18:44
charging you an annual rap fee
18:46
on the total amount so that one day per
18:49
year
18:49
they can throw a dart at the index
18:51
option strategy and charge a fee the
18:52
other 364 days
18:55
they can't do jack crap he said yeah
18:58
that's exactly what they're doing
19:00
so he moved the money of course he moved
19:02
the money that's insane
19:03
and if you're and if you're a wealth
19:06
advisor
19:07
you know stockbroker series seven per
19:10
whatever you are
19:11
all right what if you're charging a rap
19:14
fee
19:15
on an indexed annuity give me a break
19:20
so i need you to look in your client's
19:21
eye and say you need to pay me
19:24
a rap fee for one day a year i
19:27
personally could never do that ever ever
19:29
ever
19:30
that's ridiculous and if you have an
19:32
index annuity that's that's being
19:33
charged an
19:34
annual rap fee so that person can make a
19:36
decision one day per year
19:38
stop it you're getting ripped off that's
19:41
my opinion i know the industry hates me
19:43
for it
19:43
but i'm not gonna sit here and say that
19:46
that's good it's not good
19:48
period and getting back to the original
19:50
premise because i digressed a little bit
19:51
and got a little bit emotional because
19:53
that one drives me crazy and it'll blow
19:55
the top of my head off
19:57
in a rap fee world in a fee based world
20:00
in a in a
20:01
asset under management world where
20:02
they're trying to charge a percentage
20:04
for the assets under management
20:06
those people with people that know know
20:09
that annuities should not
20:11
i mean people that i guess have more i'm
20:13
not going to say that but that know
20:14
better
20:15
know that they can't wrap us be a dia q
20:17
lac they just can't do it
20:19
which is why they kind of don't want to
20:21
go there
20:23
my opinion only my opinion in my opinion
20:26
the the reason vanguard got out of the
20:29
annuity business is they're not in the
20:31
annuity
20:32
when someone bought an immediate annuity
20:34
from vanguard
20:35
that money was gone they couldn't charge
20:38
a fee on it they couldn't wrap a fee on
20:40
it
20:40
they couldn't even though vanguard's
20:41
very very cost effective and very very
20:43
pro customer
20:44
and disclaimer i have a vanguard account
20:46
i love them
20:48
but i think the reason they got out of
20:50
the annuity business is they could not
20:52
wrap that fee that's one of the reasons
20:55
i'm sure
20:56
they couldn't put a rat fee around it
20:58
and that's the reason a lot of the big
20:59
firms
21:00
in the management by the way been there
21:02
done that
21:04
they discourage you as a as an advisor
21:06
at these big firms to sell annuities
21:08
because the fees aren't as good now they
21:11
might want you to sell indexed annuities
21:13
and variable annuities because the
21:14
commissions are high
21:15
but when it comes to immediate annuities
21:17
and multi-year guarantee annuities
21:19
and and um deferred income annuities and
21:21
qualified longevity annuity contracts
21:24
they're not real excited um for
21:27
for their advisors to sell that now the
21:30
final thing
21:31
that you should you could ask your
21:32
advisor and i know i've gone through a
21:34
lot and i've got
21:34
i've gotten a little hot and heated and
21:37
all that stuff
21:38
but you know i've been on the i've been
21:40
where these people are i've been there
21:42
i've been at the big firms i've been at
21:44
that table i
21:44
understand their limitations i
21:46
understand the management pressure i
21:48
understand the rat fee pressure
21:50
i understand it okay so i know of what i
21:53
speak because i had been there i've been
21:55
there
21:56
at a very high level but the last
21:58
question you ask is this
22:00
if i decide to buy an annuity from you
22:02
mr wealth advisor manager
22:04
man uh wealth manager master of the
22:07
universe if i decide to buy one from you
22:10
ken do you mind if i write down whatever
22:12
the sales pitch you give me whatever you
22:14
tell me the product's going to do
22:16
the way that i understand it and i'm
22:18
going to sign in data would you mind
22:20
you signing in data and you owning that
22:22
sales pitch
22:26
this is one i came up with a long time
22:28
ago it's called the annuity client
22:30
statement of understanding
22:32
meaning that it's what the annuity
22:34
client understands that's been pitched
22:37
and a lot of times that pitch gets
22:40
flushed out the truth gets flushed out a
22:42
little bit because when you flip that
22:43
paper around
22:44
and you've gone detail on what they said
22:45
this is what i think you're doing you
22:46
said this you said this about the for a
22:48
bonus
22:48
you said this brother and then they sign
22:50
it that two things are going to happen
22:52
either that pen weighs a thousand pounds
22:54
okay and it might or they they flush out
22:58
and tell you the
22:59
the actual details and the truth of
23:01
which they should have done in the first
23:02
place
23:04
so should everyone have an account with
23:07
sandy newton america's annuity agent and
23:09
go to the annuityman.com absolutely is
23:11
that going to happen
23:12
not soon but and not with everybody
23:16
because people have good relationships
23:17
with their advisor long-term advisors
23:19
friends family members that are in the
23:21
business etc
23:22
but when it comes to annuities do not do
23:26
not allow them to just say hey yeah
23:28
trust me on this one's the good ones are
23:29
right
23:31
there aren't you should never you should
23:33
never have a i mean
23:34
advisors should not be your friend i'm
23:36
never going to be your friend you
23:37
haven't caught that i'm the walking
23:39
middle finger of annuity truth i am
23:40
brutally factual
23:42
but i'll be the best advisor you'll ever
23:43
have because you know
23:45
i'm going to shoot it straight i'm not
23:46
going to ask about your kids or your dog
23:48
and where you've been stolen and
23:49
football game and all that stuff
23:51
we're going to get down to business and
23:52
i'm going to tell you the facts about
23:54
annuities
23:55
so don't let someone who is a trusted
23:58
friend
23:58
golf buddy drinking buddy just say yeah
24:01
just yeah let's just do this one
24:02
yeah i've kind of looked at it this is
24:04
the best one don't do that
24:06
hold their feet to the fire this is your
24:08
money
24:09
this is serious and with annuities
24:12
in a lot of cases once you sign that
24:14
paperwork and once that policy has been
24:16
issued once it's passed that free look
24:18
you own it so you better know what the
24:20
heck you own and just don't trust
24:22
or take someone's word for it
24:25
makes sense it's common sense if you
24:27
think about it so
24:29
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