Do Not Fund Your Agent’s Incentive Trip: Shootin’ It Straight With Stan

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In this episode, Stan The Annuity Man pulls back the curtain on how annuity incentive trips can quietly distort recommendations—and how to protect yourself from funding your agent’s next vacation. Discover why focusing on contractual guarantees, not sales gimmicks, is the only way to buy annuities on your terms.
In this episode, The Annuity Man discussed:
- Incentive trips and conflicts of interest in annuity sales
- Fiduciary mindset and putting client interests first
- Why annuities should be evaluated by contractual guarantees only
- Using online tools to compare annuity carriers and rates anonymously
-The PILL framework and simplifying annuity decision-making
Key Takeaways:
- Incentive trips create a powerful misalignment between what’s best for the client and what’s most lucrative for the agent, often steering people into the wrong annuity products.
- The only legitimate “agenda” in any annuity recommendation should be finding the highest contractual guarantees that match a client’s goals and timeline.
- Acting like a fiduciary—putting the client’s interests ahead of commissions and perks—should be the baseline standard for anyone selling financial products.
- Annuities are commodity products whose quotes change frequently, so broad claims about a single “best” product are misleading and potentially fraudulent.
- Consumers gain power when they can anonymously compare annuity options, focus on contractual guarantees, and ask just two key questions: what they want the money to do, and when those guarantees should start.
"You only ask two questions when considering annuity: What do you want the money to contractually do? When do you want those contractual guarantees to start?" — Stan The Annuity Man
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Welcome to shooting it straight with
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Stan. I'm your host Stan the annuity
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man. America's annuity agent licensed in
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all 50 states in Puerto Rico. Founder of
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CGO contractual guarantees only. You own
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an annuity for what it will do, not what
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it might do. You never buy an annuity
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for non-g guaranteed numbers.
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Today's topic is a very good one. Pretty
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good stories behind this. Do not fund
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your agents incentive trips.
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Hang in there with me. So I worked at
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Morgan Stanley Dean Woodpe whoever UBS
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and back in the day when you know it's
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long time ago 80s you know they send us
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on these incentive trips and all this
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stuff and they were nice and everything
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but the the securities industry actually
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got rid of that they got rid of those
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what we call add a boy at a boy a boy
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son you selling a bunch son boy all
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those attab boy trips were pretty much
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gotten rid I think that was 2013 I'd
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have to go back and look but not the
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annuity industry My friendm you know
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Johnny Apples Seed agent down the road
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if he sells enough of XYZ annuity he
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gets to go to Bora Bora or Italy or Rome
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or Greece or Hawaii with his girlfriend
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boyfriend
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whatever applies.
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Didn't know that did you? So Stan you
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sell more than anybody. You're number
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one agent country son. I bet you got
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incentive trips out the yingyang.
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We get invited, but we don't go.
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Why would I ever in my life want to
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spend time with annuity agents or life
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insurance agents? I'd rather stab myself
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in the eye with a fork or a pencil.
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I think four or five years ago, we sent
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I think I sent my daughter on one. I
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sent my other daughter on one.
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[laughter]
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And finally, there's like Stan, we would
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really like you to be there. One of the
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reasons that that I would never go is
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number one is agents, but number two,
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most agents don't like my message of
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contractual guarantees grow contractual
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guarantees only because they're out
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there selling the growth story,
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hypotheticals and theoreticals and back
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testes, upfront bonuses, stuff like
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that. I'm like anti that. I'm the ant
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I'm the I'm the antivenenom for that
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crap sales pitch. But you have to
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understand this. If you are sitting with
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your golfing buddy who just happens to
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sell annuities or your pastor that I
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found out they're starting to sell
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annuities, too. I'm not kidding. I'll
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tell you that story one of these days.
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Um, and they're showing you one product
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and they say the following. You know
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what? I've done all of the research and
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this one right here is we have found I
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have found doing my research
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extensively. It's the best one out here.
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Bull crap. Translation. If I sell enough
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of it, I get to go on the trip.
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I wrote a article about this a long time
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ago. I think it was in Market Watch or
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one of those platforms.
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And Elizabeth Warren, the Senator
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Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, stop.
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I'm not political. I'm contractual.
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Don't care about either party. She
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contacts me and wants me to tell her
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more about these trips. So, I go to DC.
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You know, I'm in the I'm in the
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sweatuit. I'm blending in, man. and
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high-fiving everybody. And she ended up
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writing a um you know doing really good
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research on these incentive trips and
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how agents take advantage of the
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consumer and selling one product and
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actually steering people to that product
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so that they go on these trips and it
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was well done. She presented it to the
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Senate and they took a big dump all over
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it. It did not go through. And so for
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about two years, I've got a bunch of
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hate mail for help for
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help helping Elizabeth. I could care
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less about her politics. You know, I
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don't care.
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She was trying to help clean up the
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industry. I don't care if it was Beub
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the the senator. I don't care. I would
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have gone to be elabub senator and said,
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"Yeah, let's work on it." I don't care.
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If we could have gotten those incentive
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trips out of the way, great. I got one
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the other day you because we qualify for
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everything. We probably qualified month
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one because we do such volume. We are
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the number one um sellers of fixed
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annuities on the planet. It's not even
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close. And I'm proud of that because we
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do it the right way. We only sell
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contractual guarantees. We don't look at
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hypotheticals or theoreticals. But I get
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this email from a company. Um you get to
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you've qualified for the trip to Athens,
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Greece for two and a half weeks staying
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at the five-star. Give me a darn break.
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There's no chance. There's no chance
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at all. I just want you to be aware that
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there might be an agenda in the
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recommendation. The only agenda in the
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recommendation should be this is the
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highest contractual guarantee that we
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can find. If it's lifetime income, it's
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A+ or better. No exceptions. or this is
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the highest migraate that you can lock
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in. Not this is the product that if I
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sell enough of I get to go on a trip.
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Every one of us in the financial
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business should be acting as a
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fiduciary. You don't need a plaque on
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the wall. You don't need some fancy
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plaque saying I'm a fiduciary. Fiduciary
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means putting your interest ahead of my
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interest. Duh. And you're saying the
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right thing. understand. Shouldn't
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everybody in the annuity business or the
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financial business be work under that
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umbrella of putting the consumers or the
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customer's best interest ahead of
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theirs? You think it should,
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but if if Johnny Apples Seed or Joanna
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Apples Seed agent is pushing one
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product, they're going on a trip player
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and you're funding it. Do not fund the
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trip.
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And the bar is pretty low because,
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you know, first of all, most annuity
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agents only last about four or five
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years in the business. And they don't
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raise any money. They don't know how to
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I mean, it didn't The problem in the
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annuity industry, we're solving this,
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okay, because we're licensed in all 50
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states of Puerto Rico, but the vast
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majority of of annuities sold are within
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a 30 mile radius of where that agent
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lives, which is garbage.
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We're solving that because you can go to
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my site and you can run quotes SPA DQ
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like income writer quotes MAS
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and you don't have to put in your your
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name. You don't have to put in your your
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u phone number. You don't have to put in
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your email address. For lifetime income
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quotes, you put in your date of birth,
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your gender, and your state of
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residence. And you quote, and we're
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quoting all carriers, and you're going
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to see names of the carriers, you're
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going to see ratings, and you're going
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to see the highest contractual
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guarantees. We're the only one that do
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that. Nobody else does that. Everyone
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else has to makes you jump through hoops
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and give the information and create an
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account. Crap. They don't have enough
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fortitude. They don't have enough
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confidence in you so that you can make a
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decision. I don't need to email you 50
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times for you to make a decision. I
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don't need to have someone call you,
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hey, hey. I don't need that. You're
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grownup. You have money. You want to
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make decisions on your terms and on your
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time frame. So, we're going to give you
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that. We're going to give you the tools
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to do that. You'll be able to download
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books.
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Read the books, watch the videos, done a
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couple thousand, doing one a day, one a
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day, seven days per week. That's the
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goal until I die and I'm 62. There's
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there's some runway there. We are going
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to suffocate the industry with annuity
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truth. I am the walking middle finger of
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annuity truth. Do not fund your agents
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incentive trip. If some agent or advisor
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says, "Well, this is the one. This one
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right here."
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How can that annuities are commodity
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products? The quotes change and spoil
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like a gallon of milk every 7 to 10
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days. we can lock them in for you. But
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to say this is the best one is
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fraudulent and misleading and steering
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you to their product of choice so that
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they can go on that incentive trip on
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your back on a crap product.
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By the way,
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the simple products, the simple, you
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know, just basic annuity products that
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are proconsumer, SPSDs, QAX, MAS, there
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are no incentive trips for most of those
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companies. And if there are, we don't go
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on them anyway. I can buy my own trip. I
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don't need some luau with a bunch of
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agents dancing drunk. I mean, that's
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that's a nightmare.
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I know what you're say. You're saying,
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Stan, there's just so much to try to
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protect myself from out here in the
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annuity hinterlands.
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You know, what am I supposed to believe?
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What you're supposed to believe are
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annuities or contracts and they transfer
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risk and they solve for four things.
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Principal protection, income for life,
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legacy, and long-term care. The acronym
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is pill. You only ask two questions when
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considering annuity. What do you want
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the money to contractually do? When do
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you want those contractual guarantees to
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start? That's it. That's how simple it
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is.
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There's no caps and spreads,
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participation rates, and this upside
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down. None. There's no buffers and
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sharing.
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I'm shooting it straight on this topic
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because
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I think all incentive trips should be
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done away with.
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just eliminated.
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I think all annuity commissions should
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be the same regardless of the product
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and they should be low.
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I think that I should be annuities are
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period over the industry and clean this
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crap up. I think that the testing should
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require more IQ to pass it. I think the
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bar should be raised. But what I do not
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want you to do is fund your agent or
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advisor's incentive trip because they
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only showed you one product. Okay?
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My name is Stan the Annuity Man and that
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was shooting it pretty darn straight
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with Stan.
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See you next time.
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